Degeneration: hate it or love it?

The Knife wrote:

Bub537 wrote:

The Knife wrote:

Claims to be biggest RE fan.
Only played 4 & 5.

Did he really say that?

He claims to keep copies of RE4 and 5 in his office, I think. No word about the originals.

well he was a fan well before re4 and re5.

the first movie came out in 2002 i think.

Spike991 wrote:

The Knife wrote:

Bub537 wrote:

The Knife wrote:

Claims to be biggest RE fan.
Only played 4 & 5.

Did he really say that?

He claims to keep copies of RE4 and 5 in his office, I think. No word about the originals.

well he was a fan well before re4 and re5.

the first movie came out in 2002 i think.

Well, Anderson can time travel, it would seem.

Unless he thinks REmake is an action game. Or CVX.

How can anyone think REmake is an action game?! It had probably the least amount of action in the entire series.

ThomVD wrote:

How can anyone think REmake is an action game?! It had probably the least amount of action in the entire series.

Nah... that'd probably be Gaiden.

The Knife wrote:

Spike991 wrote:

The Knife wrote:

Bub537 wrote:

The Knife wrote:

Claims to be biggest RE fan.
Only played 4 & 5.

Did he really say that?

He claims to keep copies of RE4 and 5 in his office, I think. No word about the originals.

well he was a fan well before re4 and re5.

the first movie came out in 2002 i think.

Well, Anderson can time travel, it would seem.

Unless he thinks REmake is an action game. Or CVX.

CVX was one of the most action packed, definately at the time it came out.

Mcghie wrote:

Yeah I admit that, but it had the right action/horror balance.
I can remember demo video I got out a ps2 magazine and it showed the part with the doctor in the infirmary eating the guys face, that literally disturbed me to the point I was frightened and hadn't even played the game yet.
Also Im doing a playthrough of CV on the 360 and got past that bit a few hours ago and lets just say the infirmary section of rockfort island still to this day scares the shit out me

It truly did. RE4 did a good job blending the two as well.

RE5 on the other hand maybe lacked in certain aspects. CVX and RE4 should be looked at as prime examples of how to blend those certain characteristics like horror and action effectively.

Nah, RE4 had a bit too much action for my taste. Loved the game though.

I would surely hope they don't make RE4 the standard for "blending action and horror well."

NiteKrawler wrote:

I would surely hope they don't make RE4 the standard for "blending action and horror well."

re4 blended it extremely well, dont front nite.

but anyway, there were other things that affected how people looked at the overall product.

the lack of ''Zombies'' was something that everybody freaked out about at first. myself included.

i dont think you can have too much horror, but action has been implimented in the series for a long time, and its just stupid how much complaining and hate re4 has to catch like it's the antichrist of RE.

@Tvd, what is too much action?

im curious, as i personally hate the whole, ''re4 is a great game but not re game'' bs that ive heard in the past.

I personally prefer the slow paced, puzzle based, atmospheric RE games like REmake.

ThomVD wrote:

I personally prefer the slow paced, puzzle based, atmospheric RE games like REmake.

re4 blended those qualities.

i think what you might be getting at, and what I also enjoy is being put in a location, like a mansion being ideal, and just having to figure your way out.

i would really love to experience something like that again. LIN was way too short and straight forward. i mean really feeling like you're investigating.

let's also not forget that re4 really did more good than bad. OTS aiming is ideal too. there's nothing that says camera angles are the only factor in making a game have that survival aspect.

i think Revelations might be exactly what everyone needs. it looks like its going to do an even better job of blending horror, action, and survival, along with a kickass and intriguing story.

Spike991 wrote:

i think what you might be getting at, and what I also enjoy is being put in a location, like a mansion being ideal, and just having to figure your way out.

i would really love to experience something like that again. LIN was way too short and straight forward. i mean really feeling like you're investigating.

Yeah, this is exactly what I loved in the classic RE games.

I agree with the OTS view being good. I also liked the camera angles so I don't really care which camera the game has.

But I still think RE4 had way too few puzzles. I loved finding items and keys and combining them, etc.

The atmosphere in RE4 was decent, but not even close to REmake.

Btw, I also think that RE4 in general is overrated. Many think it's the best game of last gen, but when I think about the best games of last gen, I think of games like Final Fantasy X, LoZ: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Shadow of the Colossus, REmake, Ninja Gaiden and Knights of the old republic. All much better than RE4 in my opinion.

Too much action? RE5. And you all know I love RE5. RE4 skirted around the line as well. I think RE4 had too much action personally. I wouldn't have minded it so much if the story were half bearable.

NiteKrawler wrote:

Too much action? RE5. And you all know I love RE5. RE4 skirted around the line as well. I think RE4 had too much action personally. I wouldn't have minded it so much if the story were half bearable.

re4 had too much action? compared to what? or is there a standard, a quota or a certain ratio capcom has to abide by.

spicing up certain things adding a few new things but still keeping so many awesome RE qualities does not make re4 such a different experience.

the story wasnt so bad. it doesn't tie in so deeply with the most pertinent stuff in the series, obviously the few months that consisted of the initial t-virus leak, and the raccoon stuff.

the story and characters have evolved and expanded. some good, others not so much.

re4 had plenty of horror. not that there can be too much, there is always room for more.

as for the puzzles....re4 had plenty of puzzle solving. the actual thinking figuring out variety and the collect items, maybe combine kind.

also, the ''classic RE games''. what are those exactly? does it end with a certain game? is re4 and everything post-re4 non classic.

i think re4 is over and underrated at the same time.

i cant believe how much bitching there is about something like the amount of action in re4.

i know that all of the different factors combined is why re4 gets so much hate.

it just had all the right changes, combined with the timing for it to become such a big deal....the overpopularity just killed it too.

no one would give a shit if they had only introduced any of the changes in re4 individually.

Notice I said "I think" and "personally". And the story not tying in with the other games is fine. How generic and absolutely cliche and boring it was is not okay.

NiteKrawler wrote:

Notice I said "I think" and "personally". And the story not tying in with the other games is fine. How generic and absolutely cliche and boring it was is not okay.

cliche, maybe. but how was it boring?

it was interesting from the beginning.

the stuff behind the scenes was very relevant and tied into the main story. the stuff with the Organization, wesker, ada, and the introduction of krauser into that whole mix. though i remember you didnt like Jack.

Nite was right, It's just a matter of preference. RE4 didn't even got close to scaring me even a single time. In REmake, I jumped out of my seat the first time through, and even if I play it now. And the puzzles were so easy and short that they shouldn't even be needed in the first place. If you remove all puzzles in the older games, you have nothing left. If you remove the puzzles in RE4, it's still almost the same game.

I love how a thread that has nothing to do with RE4, has like 3 RE4 discussions in it .

ThomVD wrote:

Nite was right, It's just a matter of preference. RE4 didn't even got close to scaring me even a single time. In REmake, I jumped out of my seat the first time through, and even if I play it now. And the puzzles were so easy and short that they shouldn't even be needed in the first place. If you remove all puzzles in the older games, you have nothing left. If you remove the puzzles in RE4, it's still almost the same game.

I love how a thread that has nothing to do with RE4, has like 3 RE4 discussions in it .

Okay BS. im going to call bullshit on that.

didnt scare you once?

let me guess, that ″classic″ RE games scared the living shit out of you, but re4 put you to sleep.

is that close?

or did the RE games just generally not scare you at all?

obviously re4 doesnt have to prove a damn thing, it has plenty of horror, and for you to just be like, ''meh'', is complete nonsense.

its not a matter of preference whether or not re4 had horror or not.

it can be a matter of preference whether you liked it.

Man i would fucking love to have watched you play re4 the first time, just to see this completely indifferent, unenthusiastic look on your face while re4 didnt come close to scaring you even once.

Dr. Salvador, del lago, bella sisters, regenerators, first time we see the parasite burst from a ganados head, the illuminados with their chanting, the garradors, and much much more. Nope, fuck 'em all, they didnt scare anybody.

Spike's piss has officially been brought to a boil lol.

Didn't mean to piss you off like that lol.

I'm just saying that RE4 didn't scare me at all. I'm probably not the only one. No offence for anybody that was scared. It's just my personal experience with the game. I still loved the game. Like people said before, RE is not really about the horror.

And no, the other RE games didn't scare the shit out of me, but more so than RE4 or 5. In my opinion, RE1 and REmake were the only scary RE games.

Just for the record, I never thought the original was scary. To be fair, I never played it as a kid.

ThomVD wrote:

Didn't mean to piss you off like that lol.

I'm just saying that RE4 didn't scare me at all. I'm probably not the only one. No offence for anybody that was scared. It's just my personal experience with the game. I still loved the game. Like people said before, RE is not really about the horror.

And no, the other RE games didn't scare the shit out of me, but more so than RE4 or 5. In my opinion, RE1 and REmake were the only scary RE games.

Wait, so you're saying the orginal and the REmake were the only ones that made you shit a brick? So the R.P.D library, the mirror Licker, Mr. X and having to play as Sherry DIDN'T scare you?