Resident Evil 7 - Discussion

Nobudy wrote:

Teh Spike wrote:

Even if LeonxAda had some night that was hinted at in Damnation, what did it solve? What needs to happen for it to work? Or maybe they aren't meant to work.

And I meant oval office. No wait, actually I didn't.

Leon's final appearance will have him dying for Ada. I mean when you look at it, Leon defending "Ada" from Chris caused even more problems for Chris, Piers, and the real Ada. Come to think of it, Ada is the major reason 6's plot exists in the first place.

It's always about the chick...unless its anime. Then its about the robot chick.

Honestly, if Leon is going to play a part in RE7, there should be a plot altering decision: Who dies? Leon or Ada? Also, I want to play as Barry. File's explaining important plot holes and what happened to the previous survivors that were long forgotten. The survival horror we all crave. Also, maybe even that secret Hunk scenario...

PWNERX wrote:

Honestly, if Leon is going to play a part in RE7, there should be a plot altering decision: Who dies? Leon or Ada? Also, I want to play as Barry. File's explaining important plot holes and what happened to the previous survivors that were long forgotten. The survival horror we all crave. Also, maybe even that secret Hunk scenario...

Or better yet, have Barry kill Leon for defending Ada even though she's threatening his family to her organization. And then Kill Ada at the end.

Barry destroys world, unlocks Jill Sandwich. THE END. Conglaturations?

PWNERX wrote:

Barry destroys world, unlocks Jill Sandwich. THE END. Conglaturations?

I can see this being an ending. A nice comedic ending of a new era of puns and sandwiches.

It would be nice for Resident Evil to stop taking itself so seriously, butI don't think that would be an ideal way to end it all.

AWDCP wrote:

Vandal wrote:

It would be nice for Resident Evil to stop taking itself so seriously, butI don't think that would be an ideal way to end it all.

Everyone's Dead, Chris.

This comment is kinda mean.

My name is Sue!
How do you do?!
Now you gonna DIE!

Mass Distraction wrote:

Sorry, I should've been more clear with what I meant. I wasn't saying RER fits because it bridges the gap between 4 and 5, I meant that it fits because it fills the gap between Umbrella's End (from Umbrella Chronicles) and RE5. Like I said, RE4 didn't really contribute to the overall story, it was more of a side story explaining the appearance of the plaga. I think of RER like I think of RE2 compared to RE1. A whole new setting a while after the previous game explaining some of the major details (in this case the establishment of B.S.A.A. and its early days) and doesn't relate to the previous title(s) all that much. So to say, it fits Chris and Jill's story and has a place in the main continuity while RE4 and RE6 are pretty irrelevent in the overall picture, like you agree on.

Come to think of it, Leon is pretty irrelevant in the series now that Krauser is dead and Sherry is free from the government lockdown. Sure he has the whole Ada deal going on (get a room already!) and something must be up with Manuela but still, there's not much going on for him within the overall story. They could at least have had Simmons survive from RE6 so that there'd be some bigger evil for him to fight instead of the cliche "terrorists there, send elite agent to dispose of" story. Not saying this because I'd dislike Leon though, he's still one of my favorite characters.

Kinda derailed the discussion with that but hey, it was a thought.

Okay, I got it! We're on the same page about how Revelations fits into the overall story!

I'm actually happy that you brought up Leon, because I feel the same way. While I do like Leon, he does feel irrelevant in a sense. Leon's appearances seem to deviate from the main story. His relationship with Ada is getting drawn out. Ada comes back, Leon chases her, she plays hard to get, Leon makes a desperate bid to reason with her, she doesn't listen, then she runs off. That's been their dynamic for every single project they've been in together. Their relationship has had no growth and development period. Like you said, Leon is pretty irrelevant and the only reason I believe he is still around is because he's Capcom's poster boy.

Teh Spike wrote:

AWDCP wrote:

Vandal wrote:

It would be nice for Resident Evil to stop taking itself so seriously, butI don't think that would be an ideal way to end it all.

Everyone's Dead, Chris.

This comment is kinda mean.

My name is Sue!
How do you do?!
Now you gonna DIE!

??? Me no understand...

DampRevil wrote:

I'm actually happy that you brought up Leon, because I feel the same way. While I do like Leon, he does feel irrelevant in a sense. Leon's appearances seem to deviate from the main story. His relationship with Ada is getting drawn out. Ada comes back, Leon chases her, she plays hard to get, Leon makes a desperate bid to reason with her, she doesn't listen, then she runs off. That's been their dynamic for every single project they've been in together. Their relationship has had no growth and development period. Like you said, Leon is pretty irrelevant and the only reason I believe he is still around is because he's Capcom's poster boy.

I think their relationship, if you can call it that, has had SOME development behind the scenes. Remember what was said in Damnation? Still, I would much prefer to have some actual development on screen and have that part of the story done with or at least have it move on. It was cool the second time, kinda okay the third time but by the fourth time it starts to get waaaaay dragged out.

I agree they have had some development, but mostly behind the scenes like you said. It's does feel dragged out and almost unnecessary now. This will be the pattern though until the last game. I think Capcom uses their relationship as a way to keep bringing Ada back. Despite her importance in the series, her making an appearance would seem too random without Leon showing up somewhere.

Come to think of it, Leon has only appeared in one canon entry without Ada and that's Degeneration. The only game he has appeared in without Ada is not even canon, Gaiden.

In fact, I would love to see a game with Ada but not Leon. Now that would be a twist.

You could say that one scenario in Umbrella Chronicles could be one. Then again, it was connected to Leon.

Nobudy wrote:

You could say that one scenario in Umbrella Chronicles could be one. Then again, it was connected to Leon.

Death's Door? Oh yes indeed, you are correct. I really need to get back to playing UC and unlock everything I have left.

Mass Distraction wrote:

Nobudy wrote:

You could say that one scenario in Umbrella Chronicles could be one. Then again, it was connected to Leon.

Death's Door? Oh yes indeed, you are correct. I really need to get back to playing UC and unlock everything I have left.

That's going to be a while if you hadn't played UC for a while.

Nobudy wrote:

Mass Distraction wrote:

Nobudy wrote:

You could say that one scenario in Umbrella Chronicles could be one. Then again, it was connected to Leon.

Death's Door? Oh yes indeed, you are correct. I really need to get back to playing UC and unlock everything I have left.

That's going to be a while if you hadn't played UC for a while.

I've been occupied with Darkside Chronicles. Which sucks, by the way. Don't worry, I'm way good at getting back to games as long as I haven't left them in the middle of a puzzle or a fetch quest or a dungeon. You should never do that.

@Mass, I sure hope you didnt just say that Darkside Chronicles sucks. o.O

There are some games that ive started and just couldnt get into enough to finish, like Arkham Asylum, Tomb Raider Anniversary, and that Undead Nightmare game, even though I like all those games.

Teh Spike wrote:

@Mass, I sure hope you didnt just say that Darkside Chronicles sucks. o.O

There are some games that ive started and just couldnt get into enough to finish, like Arkham Asylum, Tomb Raider Anniversary, and that Undead Nightmare game, even though I like all those games.

You got me at Arkham Asylum. I started it once, I didn't play it for weeks. Then I played it again just to finish it. I'm glad I only got it for 5 dollars.

@Mass: Agreed. What I hated about DC most was the shaky camera.

Someome pinch me. Surely nobudy finds DSC to be anything less than almost perfect.

Way improved from its predecessor, UC, in graphics, audio, presentation, VA(big time), extras... I mean the list goes on. Not to mention the fact tjat it actually has a very faithful and satisfying "remake"/retelling of some of the most enjoyable stories in RE, RE2 and CVX. And they did a fantastic job on all the characters, minus Alexia Ashford. PLUS, they also delve more into the Leon/Krauser relationship. It was pretty awesome playing with those 2 teamed up, years before their battle to the death in RE4. If DSC wasnt a railshooter, I think itd be perfection.

Nobudy wrote:

@Mass: Agreed. What I hated about DC most was the shaky camera.

Yes! Exactly this. It's like playing as a drunken man swinging from side to side and running almost sideways at times. Either that or one of those bobble head things you put on your dashboard in your car. I don't understand why they took away the ability to slightly move the camera that was in UC either. Now it's almost impossible to hit things if they go even slightly off screen. The money system is also waaaay too grind heavy. After going through over half of the game I've managed to buy like three upgrades overall. Everything I liked about UC seems to be absent from DC.

Sure, there's more content and it's prettier, but the gameplay is guff.

Oh come on Mass. You could only afford 3 things with your points? Massive exaggeration. But maybe you should have shot more stuff while playing through and complaining about a shaky camera. :/ And to be honest, I didnt have any trouble taking pretty much every zombie's head clean off. Idk if im a crack shot marksman or what, but it also might help if you hold your Wiimote/Ps3 Move-thing extra steady. It reallu helps, easy does it.

And when I praise DSC, I also mean the gameplay, twas good, but I primarily mean the overall story. They did such a damn good job on that part. DSC has some of the best cutscenes!

Oh, shooting things to find hidden items is another thing. In UC you could destroy almost everything that you saw. In DC you are very limited in what you can and cannot break, which discourages shooting things, for shooting indestructible pottery in hopes of finding something lowers your hit ratio and thus lowers your score. I'm not gonna grind through every level to learn what breaks and what doesn't. And there's still no reason for the existence of the shaky camera. Even if I was exhausted from running I don't start swinging my head from side to side.

Also, I can headshot almost everything with ease in UC and I'm using a controller. DC just makes things extra obnoxious and I'm not shelling out money for Move controllers just for one game I don't really even like.

As far as story goes, I don't really care for Krauser. Like, at all. So that part is kind of lost on me. I much prefer the Russian missions from UC.

Definitely in my bottom three, just before Survivor 2 and Missions.

You know what? An enlightening conversation between a friend of mine made me realize why Resident Evil 6 had a bad story and Resident Evil: Revelations had a good story--by comparison--despite the number of characters in each game.

Revelations had two main characters, Jill and Chris. Then they had a supporting cast, some of which you take command over. In Resident Evil 6, you have 7 main characters all fighting for the spot light, and Capcom explains how the game is a Leon game even though Jake is more important and Chris is more interesting.

There's nothing wrong with a large cast of characters, X-Men does a good job with that, but we know that we have only a few main characters with one main antagonist that everyone works together to bring down. In Resident Evil 6 everyone was sort of bukkaked all over the script.

Vandal wrote:

You know what? An enlightening conversation between a friend of mine made me realize why Resident Evil 6 had a bad story and Resident Evil: Revelations had a good story--by comparison--despite the number of characters in each game.

Revelations had two main characters, Jill and Chris. Then they had a supporting cast, some of which you take command over. In Resident Evil 6, you have 7 main characters all fighting for the spot light, and Capcom explains how the game is a Leon game even though Jake is more important and Chris is more interesting.

There's nothing wrong with a large cast of characters, X-Men does a good job with that, but we know that we have only a few main characters with one main antagonist that everyone works together to bring down. In Resident Evil 6 everyone was sort of bukkaked all over the script.

To also add why 6's story isn't as good, Leon as a character had no real character relevance. You could almost replace Leon with some other character had it not been for the Leon/Chris/Sherry/Ada moments.