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Ssplain Crimson Head
ResidentJsee Steam : Resident Jsee Posts : 773 Join date : 2013-06-18 Age : 34 Location : Some kind of room
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:29 am | |
| Yea I played it some tonight. Absolutely nothing wrong with he controls. I am loving the game so far, can't believe I have never played through this version of it.
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:17 pm | |
| - Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck |
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Ssplain Crimson Head
ResidentJsee Steam : Resident Jsee Posts : 773 Join date : 2013-06-18 Age : 34 Location : Some kind of room
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:40 pm | |
| I actually enjoy the older controls with the D-pad. When it come to using the joystick, I am awful with the older controls. |
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:11 pm | |
| I am aweful with them either way. They are so freaking sluggish. I feel like I am fighting the controls when I play the game |
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Ghost Leader Admin
Posts : 4809 Join date : 2008-12-20 Age : 40 Location : Rent-free in Peter Anderson's head
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:40 pm | |
| - valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? |
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:58 pm | |
| - Ghost Leader wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? No it isn't. It feels so much smoother and not sluggish at all |
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Vandal Admin
Posts : 4867 Join date : 2011-04-11 Age : 32 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:04 am | |
| - valereth wrote:
- Ghost Leader wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? No it isn't. It feels so much smoother and not sluggish at all It does have the same controls. The only reason it feels smoother is because the camera isn't constantly switching angles. |
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Mass Distraction Admin
MassDistraction Steam : MassDistraction Posts : 13024 Join date : 2009-09-14 Age : 33 Location : Finland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:06 am | |
| - valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck It depends. I don't think controls suck as long as I'm not having any problems with them myself. Only controls that make a game unplayable suck in my opinion. Resident Evil Missions. Fuck that shit. |
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:56 pm | |
| - Vandal wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Ghost Leader wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? No it isn't. It feels so much smoother and not sluggish at all It does have the same controls. The only reason it feels smoother is because the camera isn't constantly switching angles. No it doesn't. Having the same controls would not work with the new camera in that game. |
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Vandal Admin
Posts : 4867 Join date : 2011-04-11 Age : 32 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:12 pm | |
| - valereth wrote:
- Vandal wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Ghost Leader wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? No it isn't. It feels so much smoother and not sluggish at all It does have the same controls. The only reason it feels smoother is because the camera isn't constantly switching angles. No it doesn't. Having the same controls would not work with the new camera in that game. Trust me, they have the same controls. Pick up a copy of RE4 sometime and play the game again. |
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:20 pm | |
| [quote="Vandal"] - valereth wrote:
- Vandal wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Ghost Leader wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? No it isn't. It feels so much smoother and not sluggish at all It does have the same controls. The only reason it feels smoother is because the camera isn't constantly switching angles. No it doesn't. Having the same controls would not work with the new camera in that game. Trust me. No they don't. Navigating Leon and getting him to actually go where you want instead of getting stuck in the wall while you are trying to run away from something is so much easier and better in RE4. |
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Mcghie Leech Zombie
Steam : BioDeamz Posts : 2027 Join date : 2011-03-22 Age : 31 Location : Edinburgh, Scotland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:45 pm | |
| - valereth wrote:
Trust me. No they don't. Navigating Leon and getting him to actually go where you want instead of getting stuck in the wall while you are trying to run away from something is so much easier and better in RE4. Actually Vandal does have a point. It's all about perspectives and the control scheme. If a camera perspective changes then the input value is going to change accordingly to match that of the new value or in this case camera perspective. Focal length and field of vision play a big role in the feeling of motion as well. The more narrow the vision field the more motion feels more fluid, however this is just a trick of the eye. Dynamic camera angles move with the player so this also give the impression and feeling of more natural movement and thus encouraging our minds to think it looks and feels more natural. I do agree with you that the controls are a little smoother but they are virtually the same as Resident Evil 2's controls. The FPS and updated hardware that renders faster really makes a difference. If you play RE2 on the PC and then RE4 you feel that there is not that big a difference in terms of smoothness. It's all to do with visual perspectives and of coarse a higher rendering rate.
Oh P.S - Another perfect example of what I've just spoken about is the mod patch for RE4 on the PC that reverts the game to the older camera perspectives. Play that and you will see all that what I've spoken come into action. |
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Ssplain Crimson Head
ResidentJsee Steam : Resident Jsee Posts : 773 Join date : 2013-06-18 Age : 34 Location : Some kind of room
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:08 pm | |
| I landed Resident Evil Outbreak and RE4 tonight on eBay. Payed $10.87 for both, and that is after shipping. They are listed in excellent condition and are complete with cover art and manual. I have owned and beaten both previously. I also learned my lesson about loaning games to friends . I am trying to get a good collection going now and I couldn't pass that price up! Now only if I could find a Resident Evil Gaiden complete for less than a couple hundred bucks... |
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37 Narwhals RPD Officer
Posts : 351 Join date : 2012-10-11
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:09 pm | |
| - valereth wrote:
- Vandal wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Vandal wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Ghost Leader wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? No it isn't. It feels so much smoother and not sluggish at all It does have the same controls. The only reason it feels smoother is because the camera isn't constantly switching angles. No it doesn't. Having the same controls would not work with the new camera in that game. Trust me. No they don't. Navigating Leon and getting him to actually go where you want instead of getting stuck in the wall while you are trying to run away from something is so much easier and better in RE4. Movement in RE4 is the same thing as previous games. |
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Mcghie Leech Zombie
Steam : BioDeamz Posts : 2027 Join date : 2011-03-22 Age : 31 Location : Edinburgh, Scotland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:16 pm | |
| - Ssplain wrote:
- I landed Resident Evil Outbreak and RE4 tonight on eBay. Payed $10.87 for both, and that is after shipping. They are listed in excellent condition and are complete with cover art and manual.
I have owned and beaten both previously. I also learned my lesson about loaning games to friends . I am trying to get a good collection going now and I couldn't pass that price up! Now only if I could find a Resident Evil Gaiden complete for less than a couple hundred bucks... Nice buy matey ! Complete with manual and cover art and in decent condition is hard to find these days, especially for a price such as this. You should try Ebay.co.uk or European sites, sometimes importing and finding a seller can cost you less. You never know until you've had a look. I got a Japanese copy of Ghost in the shell of the PS1 imported from an American seller about three years ago for around £20 which was a steal considering that even the English copy of the game is very rare to find, never mind the Japanese original port.
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Ssplain Crimson Head
ResidentJsee Steam : Resident Jsee Posts : 773 Join date : 2013-06-18 Age : 34 Location : Some kind of room
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:33 pm | |
| - Mcghie wrote:
- Ssplain wrote:
- I landed Resident Evil Outbreak and RE4 tonight on eBay. Payed $10.87 for both, and that is after shipping. They are listed in excellent condition and are complete with cover art and manual.
I have owned and beaten both previously. I also learned my lesson about loaning games to friends . I am trying to get a good collection going now and I couldn't pass that price up! Now only if I could find a Resident Evil Gaiden complete for less than a couple hundred bucks... Nice buy matey ! Complete with manual and cover art and in decent condition is hard to find these days, especially for a price such as this. You should try Ebay.co.uk or European sites, sometimes importing and finding a seller can cost you less. You never know until you've had a look. I got a Japanese copy of Ghost in the shell of the PS1 imported from an American seller about three years ago for around £20 which was a steal considering that even the English copy of the game is very rare to find, never mind the Japanese original port.
That is a good idea, I will have to check out those sites for sure, thanks! |
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Mcghie Leech Zombie
Steam : BioDeamz Posts : 2027 Join date : 2011-03-22 Age : 31 Location : Edinburgh, Scotland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:48 pm | |
| - Ssplain wrote:
That is a good idea, I will have to check out those sites for sure, thanks! No problem. It just dawned on me that importing now a days can be cheaper sometimes and also in this day and age there is all kinds of hacking software or swap disk or reqion free mods for consoles so you can play games of the past on the consoles. Back years ago importing was costly and also you never had the technology or resources in order to play games or ports from different regions. The happiest day (in the PS2 era) was when I bought a action replay disk out a game store when I purchasing a game and realising that it had a region unblocker on it. It was only temperamental and you had to put the action replay disk in and then insert your imported game, but it was the best thing I ever came across. That's why I love the PS3 because I can play all the Japanese only releases without the fear of them not working on a PAL console. This is also partly the reason I loved the Dreamcast because the first PAL versions when the console came out could play burned games without chipping or modding. You could literally compress a ISO onto even a CD-RW and just pop it in and play. This was also a good feature to have because the amount of amazing Japanese only titles that where released for the DC was outstanding. They even had a Resident Evil 2 side scrolling, punch-em-up title that was like streets of rage. I'm pretty sure that was mod made by a small modding team but it was still great to play.
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Ssplain Crimson Head
ResidentJsee Steam : Resident Jsee Posts : 773 Join date : 2013-06-18 Age : 34 Location : Some kind of room
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:57 pm | |
| - Mcghie wrote:
- Ssplain wrote:
That is a good idea, I will have to check out those sites for sure, thanks! No problem. It just dawned on me that importing now a days can be cheaper sometimes and also in this day and age there is all kinds of hacking software or swap disk or reqion free mods for consoles so you can play games of the past on the consoles. Back years ago importing was costly and also you never had the technology or resources in order to play games or ports from different regions. The happiest day (in the PS2 era) was when I bought a action replay disk out a game store when I purchasing a game and realising that it had a region unblocker on it. It was only temperamental and you had to put the action replay disk in and then insert your imported game, but it was the best thing I ever came across. That's why I love the PS3 because I can play all the Japanese only releases without the fear of them not working on a PAL console. This is also partly the reason I loved the Dreamcast because the first PAL versions when the console came out could play burned games without chipping or modding. You could literally compress a ISO onto even a CD-RW and just pop it in and play. This was also a good feature to have because the amount of amazing Japanese only titles that where released for the DC was outstanding. They even had a Resident Evil 2 side scrolling, punch-em-up title that was like streets of rage. I'm pretty sure that was mod made by a small modding team but it was still great to play.
This is so true; we are very spoiled these days. I actually may end up playing Resident Evil Gaiden on an emulator if I can find it. I don't think it would be to hard too. Although I still want to have a physical copy of the game for the collection's sake |
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Mcghie Leech Zombie
Steam : BioDeamz Posts : 2027 Join date : 2011-03-22 Age : 31 Location : Edinburgh, Scotland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:04 pm | |
| - Ssplain wrote:
This is so true; we are very spoiled these days. I actually may end up playing Resident Evil Gaiden on an emulator if I can find it. I don't think it would be to hard too. Although I still want to have a physical copy of the game for the collection's sake Yeah totally. Emulators are good for quick fixes for gaming when you don't own a certain game anymore, but nothing will beat the joy of having the physical in your collection IMO. I might be oldskool that way but I love having a physical collection of games, sort of merit and right of passage for hardcore gamers. Shame that today's young gamers and social trends are swaying towards digital only and thus eventually making hard copies extinct . I wish that this reality will never come to be but it seems like it's imminent, unfortunately. |
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:26 pm | |
| - Mcghie wrote:
- valereth wrote:
Trust me. No they don't. Navigating Leon and getting him to actually go where you want instead of getting stuck in the wall while you are trying to run away from something is so much easier and better in RE4.
Actually Vandal does have a point. It's all about perspectives and the control scheme. If a camera perspective changes then the input value is going to change accordingly to match that of the new value or in this case camera perspective. Focal length and field of vision play a big role in the feeling of motion as well. The more narrow the vision field the more motion feels more fluid, however this is just a trick of the eye. Dynamic camera angles move with the player so this also give the impression and feeling of more natural movement and thus encouraging our minds to think it looks and feels more natural. I do agree with you that the controls are a little smoother but they are virtually the same as Resident Evil 2's controls. The FPS and updated hardware that renders faster really makes a difference. If you play RE2 on the PC and then RE4 you feel that there is not that big a difference in terms of smoothness. It's all to do with visual perspectives and of coarse a higher rendering rate.
Oh P.S - Another perfect example of what I've just spoken about is the mod patch for RE4 on the PC that reverts the game to the older camera perspectives. Play that and you will see all that what I've spoken come into action. If by "virtually the same" you mean "much better in every single way" |
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:27 pm | |
| - 37 Narwhals wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Vandal wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Vandal wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Ghost Leader wrote:
- valereth wrote:
- Mass Distraction wrote:
- The controls aren't any different compared to RE2 and 3, at least not in my experience. Who on earth says they're awful?
The controls in 2, 3 and Code Veronica suck, too. The controls in pretty much every survival horror game before RE4 suck You realize RE4 has the same tank controls as 2, 3, and CVX, right? No it isn't. It feels so much smoother and not sluggish at all It does have the same controls. The only reason it feels smoother is because the camera isn't constantly switching angles. No it doesn't. Having the same controls would not work with the new camera in that game. Trust me. No they don't. Navigating Leon and getting him to actually go where you want instead of getting stuck in the wall while you are trying to run away from something is so much easier and better in RE4. Movement in RE4 is the same thing as previous games. Except that it is nothing like movement in the previous games |
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Mcghie Leech Zombie
Steam : BioDeamz Posts : 2027 Join date : 2011-03-22 Age : 31 Location : Edinburgh, Scotland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:57 pm | |
| - valereth wrote:
If by "virtually the same" you mean "much better in every single way" I take it by the tone of your reply that you completely disregarded my previous comment explaining the effects of perspectives in regards to game design. Nevermind my comment still stands as it is. If you understood fully all that was said then your once perceived ideas of the two games would have changed or gave you a little insight. I will still tell you to go and install the RE4 mod that converts the game to the "oldskool" way of static camera perspectives and then form your opinion. However if you don't then I will at least ask you to take in all the information I have given as I do not sit day in and day out learning about this stuff in my coarse work. Whether that be from a game design, photography (it ties in with the coarse but still a great area to learn about) or digital media and 3D design and engineering perspective. It doesn't matter as it is all valid in correlation with focal and imagery perspective.
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valereth Zombie
fsmetal Steam : fs_metal Posts : 153 Join date : 2013-06-04 Age : 38 Location : Harrisburg, PA
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:00 pm | |
| - Mcghie wrote:
- valereth wrote:
If by "virtually the same" you mean "much better in every single way"
I take it by the tone of your reply that you completely disregarded my previous comment explaining the effects of perspectives in regards to game design. Nevermind my comment still stands as it is. If you understood fully all that was said then your once perceived ideas of the two games would have changed or gave you a little insight. I will still tell you to go and install the RE4 mod that converts the game to the "oldskool" way of static camera perspectives and then form your opinion. However if you don't then I will at least ask you to take in all the information I have given as I do not sit day in and day out learning about this stuff in my coarse work. Whether that be from a game design, photography (it ties in with the coarse but still a great area to learn about) or digital media and 3D design and engineering perspective. It doesn't matter as it is all valid in correlation with focal and imagery perspective.
I do not have the PC version of RE4. Gamecube and PS2. Those are the versions that I have. The controls are definitely much improved. The fact the Leon actually moves where you point the thumb stick, alone, is proof of that., |
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Mcghie Leech Zombie
Steam : BioDeamz Posts : 2027 Join date : 2011-03-22 Age : 31 Location : Edinburgh, Scotland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:29 pm | |
| - valereth wrote:
I do not have the PC version of RE4. Gamecube and PS2. Those are the versions that I have. The controls are definitely much improved. The fact the Leon actually moves where you point the thumb stick, alone, is proof of that., Well you wont know the difference then. As far as I know Resident Evil 2 is programmed the same as every other video game. Once an input is registered the code will execute that specific command and give the result in which it was designed to give. I will yet again refer you to my previous post in which I explain simply how the camera perspectives effect the control scheme and feel to the character physics. I will now explain it again in a little more detail. right lets say for instance the static camera is positioned pointing up a corridor and your character is running down that corridor towards the camera, the input in which to run in that direction would be the "down arrow key/analogue", now lets say the corridor turns to the left and the next camera position is down at the bottom of the next part of the corridor then turning that corner you would then press and hold the "left arrow button(left analogue)" in order to turn that corner to continue down the next part. Now at that exact point of the camera position changing to the next scene it would then switch up the perspective and then the code would follow it's usual pattern in which you would have to then press and hold the "down arrow key/analogue". This is what tripped people up in older RE titles and made the controls feel awkward because there was maybe 3 or more different camera positions in one area boundary. You see it was nothing to do wit the control scheme being "sluggish" or "less smooth", it was all to do with the camera angles executing different perspectives and thus constantly tripping up the input commands for the controller. You don't get that problem with RE4 as the camera fluidly follows behind the character and like I pointed out in my earlier comment this also gives the apparent feeling of smoother motion as the player is basically following the characters every move and angle.
P.S - Trust me if you where to get PC copy of RE4 and download the mod you would most definitely see there is no difference. The only difference would be that little extra smoothness you get from the FPS rendering but that's all really. Apart from that the character movements still feel as if it where RE2. Bare in mind that it's next to impossible to play the full of RE4 in this mod as you've not got the lock on aiming system that the older games had. It's more of a what if RE4 had static camera angles and in this case gives an accurate comparison to the debate at hand. |
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Mass Distraction Admin
MassDistraction Steam : MassDistraction Posts : 13024 Join date : 2009-09-14 Age : 33 Location : Finland
| Subject: Re: Whats the last game you got? Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:31 am | |
| @Valereth: Trust me, Mcghie knows what he is talking about. It is as he says. - Mcghie wrote:
They even had a Resident Evil 2 side scrolling, punch-em-up title that was like streets of rage. I'm pretty sure that was mod made by a small modding team but it was still great to play.
I had that on my computer and I was planning on burning it onto a disc to play it on my Dreamcast. Trust me, it's not that good. At all. I'll still burn the disc when I get my computer back. It might've been slow and boring but at least it's not Missions. |
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