I have a question.....

保守的な wrote:

S.Winters wrote:

I'll follow most orders, but if it means killing innocents, it ain't happening..

This is America, it's not like they're going to order you to start killing civilians left and right without good reason.

Its a war. There is guerilla warfare in the streets. If she is ordered to shoot at a bulding with an enemy the army wants dead she will have to shoot. If you think the US army gives a fuck about the civilians in the crossfire you dont know shit about war.

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

S.Winters wrote:

I'll follow most orders, but if it means killing innocents, it ain't happening..

This is America, it's not like they're going to order you to start killing civilians left and right without good reason.

Its a war. There is guerilla warfare in the streets. If she is ordered to shoot at a bulding with an enemy the army wants dead she will have to shoot. If you think the US army gives a fuck about the civilians in the crossfire you dont know shit about war.

The completion of the mission should always be put first, all other priorities are rescinded. That includes any civilian casualties.

保守的な wrote:

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

S.Winters wrote:

I'll follow most orders, but if it means killing innocents, it ain't happening..

This is America, it's not like they're going to order you to start killing civilians left and right without good reason.

Its a war. There is guerilla warfare in the streets. If she is ordered to shoot at a bulding with an enemy the army wants dead she will have to shoot. If you think the US army gives a fuck about the civilians in the crossfire you dont know shit about war.

The completion of the mission should always be put first, all other priorities are rescinded. That includes any civilian casualties.

Exactly. Thats war. No sugarcoat. So you really have to think this through honey, joining the army is no whimsical decision.

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

S.Winters wrote:

I'll follow most orders, but if it means killing innocents, it ain't happening..

This is America, it's not like they're going to order you to start killing civilians left and right without good reason.

Its a war. There is guerilla warfare in the streets. If she is ordered to shoot at a bulding with an enemy the army wants dead she will have to shoot. If you think the US army gives a fuck about the civilians in the crossfire you dont know shit about war.

The completion of the mission should always be put first, all other priorities are rescinded. That includes any civilian casualties.

Exactly. Thats war. No sugarcoat. So you really have to think this through honey, joining the army is no whimsical decision.

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be what happens these days. Our politicians and bureaucrats are controlling the military, and they're putting the "public image" of the military first. They care more about looking like the "good guys" and making sure a civilian "never gets hurt," that they neglect their duties. Hence why we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Also why the Vietnam and Korean Wars were never finished.

保守的な wrote:

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

S.Winters wrote:

I'll follow most orders, but if it means killing innocents, it ain't happening..

This is America, it's not like they're going to order you to start killing civilians left and right without good reason.

Its a war. There is guerilla warfare in the streets. If she is ordered to shoot at a bulding with an enemy the army wants dead she will have to shoot. If you think the US army gives a fuck about the civilians in the crossfire you dont know shit about war.

The completion of the mission should always be put first, all other priorities are rescinded. That includes any civilian casualties.

Exactly. Thats war. No sugarcoat. So you really have to think this through honey, joining the army is no whimsical decision.

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be what happens these days. Our politicians and bureaucrats are controlling the military, and they're putting the "public image" of the military first. They care more about looking like the "good guys" and making sure a civilian "never gets hurt," that they neglect their duties. Hence why we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Also why the Vietnam and Korean Wars were never finished.

Oh dear boy. I think its time you read alternate press. What goes on out there is war. Pure outright war. The US doesnt go out of its way to protect civilians. And the fact the US has to have a clean face in the eyes of its people is true of any military campaign, just read Sun Tzu. Your really paranoid about the ´left socialist evil doers are gonna take over america´. Stop being so uptight and see things for what they are. ITS ALL BIG BUSINESS. ITS ALL SAVING FACE. POLITICIANS FURTHER THEIR AGENDA SON. Its like that everywhere, and if you really think left wing is better than right wing, and republicans are better than democrats, or vice versa, you really are acting deluded. ITS ALL ABOUT PROFIT. ITS ALL ABOUT WHO COMES OUT ON TOP. THE LITTLE GUY OR THE BIG GUY. You said it yourself. The US didnt become the greatest superpower in the world through good things. They KILLED PEOPLE, TOOK WHAT THEY WANTED. Dont think a bunch of bleeding heart liberals are gonna keep a soldier from shooting an Iraqi. Thats just absurd.

NiteKrawler wrote:

保守的な wrote:

Around half of our national debt is from these two failed social programs alone.

Um...I'm going to need to see proof of that. I find that very hard to believe. As for our current healthcare system, it needs change drastically. When 60% of personal bankruptcies ever year are caused by medical costs, AND 80% of those people had health insurance to begin with...yeah. That's bad. That's why I like some of Obama's health bill. Forcing us to have insurance? No good. But disallowing insurance companies to drop expensive clients or not allow someone in because of preexisting conditions? Very good. There should be a ceiling for how much someone would ever have to pay depending on income and they should not be allowed to be dropped. Also, illness that is caused by something the person has control over (I'm looking at you fatties of America), should either not be covered or be heavily taxed. Prevention should be the keyword in America. Right now, I am trying to exercise more, eat a lot healthier (and a lot less), and I'm cutting out things like pop, coffee, and energy drinks. If everyone in this country would just ease up a bit on the gluttony like I finally have, health costs would go wayyyy down anyway. I'm not fat by the way.

Okay, I can't find sources for the percentages I claimed, so I apologize for that. However it is the biggest and fastest growing cause of our debt:

Quote :

The 2009 Social Security and Medicare Trustees Reports show the combined unfunded liability of these two programs has reached nearly $107 trillion in today's dollars! That is about seven times the size of the U.S. economy and 10 times the size of the outstanding national debt.

The unfunded liability is the difference between the benefits that have been promised to current and future retirees and what will be collected in dedicated taxes and Medicare premiums. Last year alone, this debt rose by $5 trillion. If no other reform is enacted, this funding gap can only be closed in future years by substantial tax increases, large benefit cuts or both.

Social Security versus Medicare. Politi­cians and the media focus on Social Security's financial health, but Medicare's future liabilities are far more ominous, at more than $89 trillion. Medicare's total unfunded liability is more than five times larger than that of Social Security. In fact, the new Medicare prescription drug benefit enacted in 2006 (Part D) alone adds some $17 trillion to the projected Medicare shortfall - an amount greater than all of Social Security's unfunded obligations.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba662

00biohazard wrote:

Oh dear boy. I think its time you read alternate press. What goes on out there is war. Pure outright war. The US doesnt go out of its way to protect civilians. And the fact the US has to have a clean face in the eyes of its people is true of any military campaign, just read Sun Tzu. Your really paranoid about the ´left socialist evil doers are gonna take over america´. Stop being so uptight and see things for what they are. ITS ALL BIG BUSINESS. ITS ALL SAVING FACE. POLITICIANS FURTHER THEIR AGENDA SON. Its like that everywhere, and if you really think left wing is better than right wing, and republicans are better than democrats, or vice versa, you really are acting deluded. ITS ALL ABOUT PROFIT. ITS ALL ABOUT WHO COMES OUT ON TOP. THE LITTLE GUY OR THE BIG GUY. You said it yourself. The US didnt become the greatest superpower in the world through good things. They KILLED PEOPLE, TOOK WHAT THEY WANTED. Dont think a bunch of bleeding heart liberals are gonna keep a soldier from shooting an Iraqi. Thats just absurd.

Oh I'm well aware that both sides are equally bad. There's corruption everywhere on both sides of the aisle. There's liars and thieves, and we put them in a position of power over us. It's all just a game these bureaucrats play at the expense of the people. It is like this just about everywhere and it's always been like this, and maybe it will continue to be this way forever. What we need is a true leader, someone who will initiate true reforms and bring about government transparency, someone who will reach across the aisle and get both sides to work together, someone who will bridge the gap between the government and the people.

This was just one small cache of weapons we found. Don't worry there will plenty of people wanting to kill us we didnt need to attack civilians (waits for "but if didn't illegally invade their country...blah blah blah arguement")



Also a good part of my deployment consisted of handing out money to Iraqi citizens as well as overseeing MPs handing out books,school supplies and even sometimes ice cream to Iraqi children.

Even bought random stuff from people who had their kids out trying to make some extra money.



Oh by the way after I bought the stuff......I killed him....and yes that's sarcasm

By the way, ChickenHeart, thank you for serving our great nation.

保守的な wrote:

By the way, ChickenHeart, thank you for serving our great nation.

Conservative, Id like your opinion on this video.



Perhaps it doesnt have MUCH to do with the original topic, since its about the occupy movement a few months back, but Id like you to watch the entire video so we can discuss it.

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

By the way, ChickenHeart, thank you for serving our great nation.

Conservative, Id like your opinion on this video.



Perhaps it doesnt have MUCH to do with the original topic, since its about the occupy movement a few months back, but Id like you to watch the entire video so we can discuss it.

Thank you for sharing that video. After watching it, my thoughts on the "Occupy" Wall Street mobs have not changed. I'm not saying that there aren't some people who truly want to change things for the better in those mobs, however this whole "Occupy" thing is nothing more than a joke. These people have no organization, no common cause, and no clue as to how the world works. To many conservatives, myself included, they're just a bunch of self-entitled bratty kids who think that just because their mommy and daddy paid for them to go get a liberal arts major in college, that they are magically entitled to a high paying job and to everything they want. Most (if not all) of these kids haven't ever worked a hard day in their life.

These people are whining about "police brutality," because they are being evicted off of land that doesn't belong to them. Whether they are setting their little tents out in a public park after closing hours or on some "rich" person's land, it isn't their land and they're violating the law. I respect their right to say and protest about whatever they want, but they can't break the law and then scream "police brutality" the second they get in trouble for it. "Occupy" is Obama's personal army, at around 6:45 in your video the guy starts talking about how evil the Republicans are, and how they are all "in bed with the corporations."

I'm not defending the corrupt politicians, the millionaires, or the crony capitalists. I'm just calling out this "movement" as I see it. I believe something needs to be done about the crony capitalist problem, but "Occupy" isn't going to do anything. I find it hilarious when these millionaire celebrities fly in their million dollar jets and say that they "support Occupy Wall Street," when these "Occupy" people want nothing more than to castrate these rich people. Also it's hilarious when these "Occupy" people start talking about how their movement is "inspired by" or "just like" the so-called "Arab Spring" (which was a failure). I mean really? You're going to compare a serious of Islamist revolutions overthrowing dictators in the Middle East to a group of self-entitled college kids begging for a handout in a capitalist democracy?

保守的な wrote:

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

By the way, ChickenHeart, thank you for serving our great nation.

Conservative, Id like your opinion on this video.



Perhaps it doesnt have MUCH to do with the original topic, since its about the occupy movement a few months back, but Id like you to watch the entire video so we can discuss it.

Thank you for sharing that video. After watching it, my thoughts on the "Occupy" Wall Street mobs have not changed. I'm not saying that there aren't some people who truly want to change things for the better in those mobs, however this whole "Occupy" thing is nothing more than a joke. These people have no organization, no common cause, and no clue as to how the world works. To many conservatives, myself included, they're just a bunch of self-entitled bratty kids who think that just because their mommy and daddy paid for them to go get a liberal arts major in college, that they are magically entitled to a high paying job and to everything they want. Most (if not all) of these kids haven't ever worked a hard day in their life.

These people are whining about "police brutality," because they are being evicted off of land that doesn't belong to them. Whether they are setting their little tents out in a public park after closing hours or on some "rich" person's land, it isn't their land and they're violating the law. I respect their right to say and protest about whatever they want, but they can't break the law and then scream "police brutality" the second they get in trouble for it. "Occupy" is Obama's personal army, at around 6:45 in your video the guy starts talking about how evil the Republicans are, and how they are all "in bed with the corporations."

I'm not defending the corrupt politicians, the millionaires, or the crony capitalists. I'm just calling out this "movement" as I see it. I believe something needs to be done about the crony capitalist problem, but "Occupy" isn't going to do anything. I find it hilarious when these millionaire celebrities fly in their million dollar jets and say that they "support Occupy Wall Street," when these "Occupy" people want nothing more than to castrate these rich people. Also it's hilarious when these "Occupy" people start talking about how their movement is "inspired by" or "just like" the so-called "Arab Spring" (which was a failure). I mean really? You're going to compare a serious of Islamist revolutions overthrowing dictators in the Middle East to a group of self-entitled college kids begging for a handout in a capitalist democracy?

From what I understand Americans of all walks of life were part of the occupy movement, not just these lazy liberals as you so seem determined in labeling them And doesnt it concern you, as a proud lover of america, that there are so many citizens that are just tired of a faulty system?you claim that it is nothing but a big fat joke, but that my friend is an erroneous statement. You see, the people here had no central idea, no agenda, no real organization as you say, but the discontent among the american people is in this video is very real. You can see it in this video. Just a huge mass of frustrated americans. And what do you mean about the police brutality?unarmed civilians prove no trouble to armed officer, but the violence still ensued. That is abuse of power. That is police brutality and I will also call it as I see it. You cant claim your country is all about freedom and rights and then overlook the injustice in police brutality. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

People today, They dont know what to do. Theyre not schoalrs, nor politicals scientists, nor people who even read that much!!Theyre just people who know and realized how the world works, who the fat cats are in The US and are just plain angry. Thats why this was so interesting in the eyes of the world. People of the US are SO tired and so bitter against the corrupt nature of its system, that they completely lash out against it. And you HAVE to just stop claiming its obama and shit. OBAMA, THE LEFT, THE RIGHT, YOUR PRECIOUS CONSERVATIVES ARE ALL THE SAME PIECES OF SHIT. They are all greedy bastards. You as a true american cannot overlook an expression of the people. And was he wrong about republicans?No hes not. Is he wrong about the freeloading shits, the democrats?no hes not. You have to analyze your peoples thoughts on how their country is viewed. I do hope you viewed the whole video, since IT goes on to explain very important points. My friend the corporations run this world. When you realize that the government and your right wing heros, as is anybodys left wing liberal, all play for team MONEY, then you will realize that to side with a faulty system who claim to be doing right while raping your own country and every other one abroad, hiding beind god and a constitution which is being rewritten faster than new versions of star wars, will you realize that a true patriot sides with the people, not with ideologys that originated through racism and religion.

I agree with you that we should side with the people, however I don't believe that "Occupy" represents the views of the majority of Americans. I know most people where I live wouldn't give them the time of day, let alone think they speak for the majority of the people or the so-called "ninety-nine percent." Yes there are quite a few people camped out on the streets, but the majority? I don't think so, I could be wrong however, as I have yet to see any polls where the entire (or a sizable majority of the) adult population of America was asked if they support Occupy Wall Street or not. Following this line of logic, is the Tea Party a representation of the majority of the people? The Tea Party has had massive protests, many of which that were larger than "Occupy," and they've been rallying for years against "corporate influence on politics." I don't blindly support Republicans or Democrats or think that one side is immune to corruption, I never said that I do either. I stand with the people, however I have different means of reforming the political system in this country.

保守的な wrote:

I agree with you that we should side with the people, however I don't believe that "Occupy" represents the views of the majority of Americans. I know most people where I live wouldn't give them the time of day, let alone think they speak for the majority of the people or the so-called "ninety-nine percent." Yes there are quite a few people camped out on the streets, but the majority? I don't think so, I could be wrong however, as I have yet to see any polls where the entire (or a sizable majority of the) adult population of America was asked if they support Occupy Wall Street or not. Following this line of logic, is the Tea Party a representation of the majority of the people? The Tea Party has had massive protests, many of which that were larger than "Occupy," and they've been rallying for years against "corporate influence on politics." I don't blindly support Republicans or Democrats or think that one side is immune to corruption, I never said that I do either. I stand with the people, however I have different means of reforming the political system in this country.

Occupy movement was nothing but a demonstration of the rejection of the US current system. It was in no way a true movement. Thats why IT suggested that it begin to organize itself, to spread the message at its core, to grow as a true force. And I hear they have began sit downs in major cities regarding its organization and true agenda, and it would be returning this year, so I wouldnt count it out just yet. Though its true objectives could be mislead and distorted, since homeland security and the FBI probably already has tons of infiltrated agents nationwide. Peoples distorted sense of patriotism in the US is changing. Obamas black face in the oval office only brought the calm before the storm. I continue to hope that the US citizens continue to educate themselves in these matters.

I wouldn't suggest 'going over seas' or anything like that. I worked with a girl who left and went into the Army just so she could get into the career of a police officer, and I have a really good friend who is in the Navy. He hates his classes but can't wait to be out on a ship and the field. So he claims anyway.

Basically all I'm trying to say is, if you go into a Military branch consider different ones besides just the Army. Either branch should help you out in acquiring your goal if you really wish to be a Police Officer or whatever else you may desire within that career of choice.

A lot of careers now a days like to see a bit of a military background on your resume/application. Experience reasons and all that jazz hoorah.

00biohazard wrote:

保守的な wrote:

I agree with you that we should side with the people, however I don't believe that "Occupy" represents the views of the majority of Americans. I know most people where I live wouldn't give them the time of day, let alone think they speak for the majority of the people or the so-called "ninety-nine percent." Yes there are quite a few people camped out on the streets, but the majority? I don't think so, I could be wrong however, as I have yet to see any polls where the entire (or a sizable majority of the) adult population of America was asked if they support Occupy Wall Street or not. Following this line of logic, is the Tea Party a representation of the majority of the people? The Tea Party has had massive protests, many of which that were larger than "Occupy," and they've been rallying for years against "corporate influence on politics." I don't blindly support Republicans or Democrats or think that one side is immune to corruption, I never said that I do either. I stand with the people, however I have different means of reforming the political system in this country.

Occupy movement was nothing but a demonstration of the rejection of the US current system. It was in no way a true movement. Thats why IT suggested that it begin to organize itself, to spread the message at its core, to grow as a true force. And I hear they have began sit downs in major cities regarding its organization and true agenda, and it would be returning this year, so I wouldnt count it out just yet. Though its true objectives could be mislead and distorted, since homeland security and the FBI probably already has tons of infiltrated agents nationwide. Peoples distorted sense of patriotism in the US is changing. Obamas black face in the oval office only brought the calm before the storm. I continue to hope that the US citizens continue to educate themselves in these matters.

I've already heard some of these "organized" Occupy Wall Street people have said and it's not good. A lot of these "organized leaders" have been calling for "democratic socialism" and "banning guns." A few of them have even proposed destroying the Constitution and replacing it with a "new" constitution that has "rights" like "the 'right' to state controlled healthcare" instead of "the right to bear arms."

How in the hell did I double post? That is fucked...

Anyway, remember the National Guard is also an option.

NiteKrawler wrote:

How in the hell did I double post? That is fucked...

Anyway, remember the National Guard is also an option.

I'm not sure if your post would be considered "on-topic" or "off-topic" anymore...

This is the land of Off-Topic. Nothing can ever be on topic here.

S.Winters wrote:

I know there's other branches, but I dunno, Army just seems more of the way my heart would want to go. (I know that sounds silly...) My dad was in the Army, my half brother was in the Navy..

Do it because you want to, not as a last resort.

Spike991 wrote:

S.Winters wrote:

I know there's other branches, but I dunno, Army just seems more of the way my heart would want to go. (I know that sounds silly...) My dad was in the Army, my half brother was in the Navy..

Do it because you want to, not as a last resort.

This, only do it if you want to.

S Winters just do whatever you want. Most jobs in the Army consist of waking up early and doing PT. Followed by free time to personal hygiene and then you do your job for the rest of the day. If you deploy it's about the same thing. Ofcourse some jobs like a truck driver will often be outside the wire but there medics who never or rarely left the wire. They are supposed to be opening up some combat jobs to women if that's more your speed though.

S.Winters wrote:

Spike991 wrote:

S.Winters wrote:

I know there's other branches, but I dunno, Army just seems more of the way my heart would want to go. (I know that sounds silly...) My dad was in the Army, my half brother was in the Navy..

Do it because you want to, not as a last resort.

What should I do, become a housewife? Get married, depend on some man? Have a few kids? Stay home day after day with them and waste away, wishing I hadn't gotten in trouble...?

Why do you say that in such a horrible tone?stay home to actually spend time with your kids, have enough time to be with them enjoy them. And staying at home doesnt mean you have to be lazy. You can start your own business take lessons on weekends, do whatever. Young women today puzzle me. My mom, whose had to work and make our money along with my father regrets more than anything the time she missed with us because of work, She wanted to spend time and be with the kids. She missed most of our childhood, and stupid feminist propaganda forces young women to believe that actually staying home is one step away from being enslaved and beaten by a man. Jeezuz.