Firearms Talk

PublicEnemy wrote:

Thats right,I never said im better qualified than you to know what you like.

Actually, you did. Remember this line?

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and u will want the same weapons as before...

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Tuned,yeah,fine?nahhhh....why changing something that has proven his qualities and durability during several wars(m1911a1 model) for something so damn ugly(meu soc model)?(the hammer is awfull,not to mention the worst,wich is the grip and the bottom looks of the magazine,also add into this house of horror the ambidextrous safety)

Why change it? To increase effectiveness and ease of use. The beveled magazine well makes reloading quicker. The ambidextrous safety means left-handed shooters can operate it more easily.

Why do you think the M14 was redesigned as the Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle? To increase effectiveness and ease of use.

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Cause you call an opinion stating that the desert eagle is a noob shit gun?
Impractical for combat?i dont think that much,yeah your opinion worth 100 times than me cause you did some studies about warfare eh?well sorry for you mister but your studies worth nothin for me,and arnt a proof in any way that you know everything about guns better than me...(im not saying i know everything more than you,but you DO).

Yeah, I DO know more firearms than you. Your claims of the Desert Eagle being suitable for combat are based on your using it in a video game and how "cool" it looks. I base my argument on the merits of the gun itself, like weight, weight of ammunition, recoil, reliability, etc.. The typical Desert Eagle fanboy like you doesn't bother to consider those extremely important aspects.

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As seen after,its same,just called in another name.

I never called you anything.

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The russian special forces arnt using it and many troops(and SF) in the world arnt using it,and when i see how your "allmighty" army got men killed by insurgents every day(wich are or were civilians,mainly armed with ak familly weapons)and yeah,im speaking about both the special forces and the regular army,so no i wont call em noobs,but thats not far if they cant even defeat some few insurgents(i probably wouldnt do better,but no one calls me a Special force member).

Now who's trying to start a debate about war? I can care less whether you agree with Iraq or not because you don't have any say in where US troops are or aren't deployed. So STFU.

I know Russia doesn't use M4s and I never claimed they did. I was speaking in general of the ones that actually do.

How many countries would you like me to list that use them other that the US? Let's see, there's the Australian SAS, Chilean Special Forces, Egyptian Special Forces, French GIGN and RAID operators, Japanese Special Operations Group, New Zealand SAS... Is that enough?

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Damn true and im same as you,but as a Spetsnaz(wich were more ultra nationalists fighters than spetsnaz)i want to play with russian weapons too(i named the pkm and rpk in my "wishlist"),and well for the pistols im quite different(m1911,desert eagle) but ill never play the marines to get my colt(wich is playable in both team,fortunetaly).

And if I'm playing as a Spetsnaz operator, I want to use Spetsnaz weapons. I'd also like the PKM and RPK74 to be in. I'd also like Russian pistols such as the M443 Grach and PM Makarov in.

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For the "Deagle" its exactly what i said,only noobs wannabe call it this way,
and yeah no organizations,well no armed legal forces,use it,thats true but in those organizations,the pistol is nothin more than a BACKUP weapon,wich is not same for me,so yeah as a backup only weapon the desert eagle is not the best,i agree,but as a primary attack weapon(in buildings or whatever u want where it can reach the firing distance)its far mor effective,some of your soldiers use .357 magnum revolver as a backup for close range,the desert eagle is not bulkier than a .357 magnum revolver(and it can use .357 magnum ammo,with more bullets in it)so well....

SEAL use of S&W Model 66 and 686 .357s (which are quite a bit smaller than a Desert Eagle) was prior to the adoption of the SIG P226 under the Navy designation Mark 24 Mod 0. US SOF is quite different than the regular military in terms of weapon employment, and due to the nature of certain operations, pistols are regularly employed as offensive weapons. Ever heard of the Mark 23 Mod 0 Offensive Handgun Weapon System?

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Yeah i know their not the same as g36 familly is,but in game would it change anything?i dont think so.(except for the caliber...would deal a bit more damages,accuracy perhaps,in game i mean,how does the the work the weapon inside doesnt really count,or even take in count, in a game like call of duty...).

Why is there both a G3 and an M14 in the game, since they both do the same thing and fire the same round?
Why is there both a 1911 and a USP in the game, since they both do the same thing and fire the same round?

As I already pointed out, it's about variety.

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Ps:i accept people have differing opinions and i sometimes enjoy to debate on things like that,but its a topic for CODMW2 not a topic about wich weapon is the best....and after all,debate with you would change anything because you think of yourself already you know everything better than me(yeah tell me about such studies...)so why I would debate with someone who disrespect my opinions cause he thinks im a "WANNABEGANGSTAAKIMBOUZIUSERNOOB"(yeah you never said something like that,but thats doesnt mean your not thinking it)and ill respect your opinions when you will respect mines(wich arnt based only on games)and no dont tell me you respect them(and if you are,well then thats a very very very very very very very very very very very very few respect,wich is quite near disrespect ).

You're the one second guessing what I'm supposedly thinking of you. I don't think you're a wannabe gangster, I don't think you're a "WANNABEGANGSTAAKIMBOUZIUSERNOOB". But you are acting like an immature ass. Try doing less of that, and I might take your limited (at best) firearms knowledge seriously.

...lol. Hey GL, remind me to never piss you off.

NiteKrawler wrote:

...lol. Hey GL, remind me to never piss you off.

It takes quite a lot to piss me off, actually. No one here (including PE) has gotten anywhere close to that mark as of yet. And if it did happen, I'd just leave for a few weeks and cool off, like I'm currently doing with a Metal Gear Solid forum I'm on.

Ghost Leader wrote:

Actually, you did. Remember this line?

I was just pointing out that debating with you will not change wich weapons we both like....(apart from each other of course)

Ghost Leader wrote:

Why change it? To increase effectiveness and ease of use. The beveled magazine well makes reloading quicker. The ambidextrous safety means left-handed shooters can operate it more easily.

Im a left handed shooter,and trust me it doesnt count that much for me(pulling up the security with the left hand is damn easy)and sometimes when it goes to this,increasing the "effectiveness"(wich in this case i wouldnt call like that) is really not needed.

Ghost Leader wrote:

Why do you think the M14 was redesigned as the Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle? To increase effectiveness and ease of use.

Because americans are greatly known to make new stuff out of old(and sometimes change is good)

Ghost Leader wrote:

Yeah, I DO know more firearms than you. Your claims of the Desert Eagle being suitable for combat are based on your using it in a video game and how "cool" it looks. I base my argument on the merits of the gun itself, like weight, weight of ammunition, recoil, reliability, etc.. The typical Desert Eagle fanboy like you doesn't bother to consider those extremely important aspects.

Well im not a "typical" fanboy of the desert eagle(first of all because they call it Deagle)
and well im not saying it is that much suitable for combats,well not kind of combats the "modern" army does today-.-
and yeah i consider those "extremely" important aspects,i know that the Desert eagle doesnt have the reliability of a colt1911 or even a m92...but im not counting on the normal aspect of a classic desert eagle,im counting in the fact that u modified it(yeah with real skills for this...)to enhance his reliability,at first.
for the weight?well yeah its bulkier,but not more that much than a .357,for the ammunition,with .357(or even with .50AE)u get more ammo than a .357 will ever have(7for .50AE and 9 for .357),for the recoil?well with his "heavy" weight the desert eagle doesnt have so much recoil.
and i dont base "how much i love it" on just such video games like COD.....have you ever shot with a REAL Desert Eagle?well I did.
and to answer why no one uses the desert eagle,its very simple.
We,switzers,created the most effective anti-air system in the world,but our own army cannot even afford it(wich is quite ironical,isnt it?),or same for the ordonnance pistol of the US army,they were supposed to choose between the beretta m92 or the SIGsauer p226,well the p226 did better on some points,but the army took the m92 anyway,why?FOR THE PRICE,remember that the armies will always give to the soldiers weapons made at the lesser costs(even if theres better weapons out there).

Ghost Leader wrote:

I never called you anything.

yeah?

Ghost Leader wrote:

The typical Desert Eagle fanboy

Ghost Leader wrote:

Now who's trying to start a debate about war? I can care less whether you agree with Iraq or not because you don't have any say in where US troops are or aren't deployed. So STFU.

I dont see where it say im against or for the war in Iraq?and no,i wont STFU,sorry for you.

Ghost Leader wrote:

I know Russia doesn't use M4s and I never claimed they did. I was speaking in general of the ones that actually do.
How many countries would you like me to list that use them other that the US? Let's see, there's the Australian SAS, Chilean Special Forces, Egyptian Special Forces, French GIGN and RAID operators, Japanese Special Operations Group, New Zealand SAS... Is that enough?

Yeah it is,but for what i care from those armies....(rofl egyptian and french...).
and dont forget those guys doesnt rely only on their weapon(fortunately).

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And if I'm playing as a Spetsnaz operator, I want to use Spetsnaz weapons. I'd also like the PKM and RPK74 to be in. I'd also like Russian pistols such as the M443 Grach and PM Makarov in.

Only thing i dont like that much with russians,their pistols,but I would like to see the m444 atleast.

Ghost Leader wrote:

SEAL use of S&W Model 66 and 686 .357s (which are quite a bit smaller than a Desert Eagle) was prior to the adoption of the SIG P226 under the Navy designation Mark 24 Mod 0. US SOF is quite different than the regular military in terms of weapon employment, and due to the nature of certain operations, pistols are regularly employed as offensive weapons. Ever heard of the Mark 23 Mod 0 Offensive Handgun Weapon System?

A bit smaller?nah the main problem is that the desert eagle cost a lot much than a simple S&W revolver model...
even if its better in some qualities,like number of ammunition in the magazine,or rate of fire...
and yeah i ever heard of the MK23 offensive handgun weapon system,the first of i ever heard that is used as a offensive pistol,and what funny is its heavy and almost bulkier as a Desert Eagle is(yeah ok almost the double of ammunition,12,but of a lesser caliber,)but still its a great pistol.

Ghost Leader wrote:

Why is there both a G3 and an M14 in the game, since they both do the same thing and fire the same round?
Why is there both a 1911 and a USP in the game, since they both do the same thing and fire the same round?

Its funny when i think that not long much time ago u were arging that the G3 and m14 do not use the same 7.62mm ammunition,and could i remind you they dont have the same rate of fire,and number of ammunition in the magazine?
1911 and usp do fire the same round,thats true,but in the pistols "basic" world(most known or used pistols) there arnt many different calibers(i repeat again,its only availalble for the "basic" pistol world,wich is the one most used in video games)there is:9mm,45acp,and the third may differ sometimes(5.56 round of the 5-7 or .50AE of the desert eagle),and well usp got 10 rounds,where the 1911(or whatever model) is using 7 or 8 rounds,and again both arnt of the same reliability,and arnt working same,but yeah what does it have to do in a video game?(except number of rounds)

Ghost Leader wrote:

As I already pointed out, it's about variety.

CORRECT!its about variety,but can we call(in a video game I remind you)variety,3 weapons who looks almost the same?(except for the last one who got a slightly different caliber),i dont think so,as i wrote it before,how the weapons works inside doesnt count that much(if you try it,in the game most weapons doesnt even have the skin completely made,the m14 doesnt even have a right side!),so yeah want those weapons in a game like arma or a game who includes 1000 weapons,Ok.
BUT dont try to implement 3 damn same (yeah as i said it before, their quite twins in a game like CODMW)in a game that holds as much as 30 weapons,your asking to have the 1/10 of those weapons the same?damn it!thats quite useless(not to say stupid).

Ghost Leader wrote:

You're the one second guessing what I'm supposedly thinking of you. I don't think you're a wannabe gangster, I don't think you're a "WANNABEGANGSTAAKIMBOUZIUSERNOOB". But you are acting like an immature ass. Try doing less of that, and I might take your limited (at best) firearms knowledge seriously.

Well,you know what?after all,I really really doesnt care of what someone like you think of me or of my knowledge(wich are far from what you suppose),and by the way,if you call someone "acting like an immature ass" someones who's judging only upon his own knowledge(wich arnt that big i guess from what i see now)and judging down already before even knowing someone only because he likes something that you state as "pissy pistol for noobs",well i think that im not the one whos acting like an "immature ass" here....

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NiteKrawler wrote:

...lol. Hey GL, remind me to never piss you off.

It takes quite a lot to piss me off, actually. No one here (including PE) has gotten anywhere close to that mark as of yet. And if it did happen, I'd just leave for a few weeks and cool off, like I'm currently doing with a Metal Gear Solid forum I'm on.

Woah weeks? Damn dude! If you really ahte somebody jsut add him to hate list / mute list / black list or we you want to call it...

Buts its a bit funny to leave forums just cos of one person... I wouldn't do that... Not that Im pointing that any of you did wrong, just talknig in general... If somebody is always going against my opinion I would go against his until i drop dead from typing xD Not that I care too much, but the point of all the discussions is to show your "Enemy" that you dont give a *F WORD* about it

frodomir wrote:

Buts its a bit funny to leave forums just cos of one person... I wouldn't do that... Not that Im pointing that any of you did wrong, just talknig in general... If somebody is always going against my opinion I would go against his until i drop dead from typing xD Not that I care too much, but the point of all the discussions is to show your "Enemy" that you dont give a *F WORD* about it

This or Nuclear Strategic Missile.

PublicEnemy wrote:

I was just pointing out that debating with you will not change wich weapons we both like....(apart from each other of course)

Yeah, whatever.

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Well im not a "typical" fanboy of the desert eagle(first of all because they call it Deagle)
and well im not saying it is that much suitable for combats,well not kind of combats the "modern" army does today-.-
and yeah i consider those "extremely" important aspects,i know that the Desert eagle doesnt have the reliability of a colt1911 or even a m92...but im not counting on the normal aspect of a classic desert eagle,im counting in the fact that u modified it(yeah with real skills for this...)to enhance his reliability,at first.

First you're condemning the enhancement and modernization of the 1911, yet you push it for the Desert Eagle. Typical fanboy.

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for the weight?well yeah its bulkier,but not more that much than a .357,for the ammunition,with .357(or even with .50AE)u get more ammo than a .357 will ever have(7for .50AE and 9 for .357),for the recoil?well with his "heavy" weight the desert eagle doesnt have so much recoil. and i dont base "how much i love it" on just such video games like COD.....have you ever shot with a REAL Desert Eagle?well I did.
and to answer why no one uses the desert eagle,its very simple.

Yeah, actually I have. It kicks like a mule, it's loud as fuck, and you have to be Arnold Schwarzenegger to avoid breaking your arm when firing the .50 AE version.

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We,switzers,created the most effective anti-air system in the world,but our own army cannot even afford it(wich is quite ironical,isnt it?),or same for the ordonnance pistol of the US army,they were supposed to choose between the beretta m92 or the SIGsauer p226,well the p226 did better on some points,but the army took the m92 anyway,why?FOR THE PRICE,remember that the armies will always give to the soldiers weapons made at the lesser costs(even if theres better weapons out there).

You also created the most effective army knife in the world.

The 92F was chosen because of a backroom deal between the governments of the US and Italy. If the US bought the Beretta, the Italian government would buy billions in military equipment from the US. The P226 was an unfortunate victim of a political agenda, rather than a fair competition.

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yeah?

Why do you keep accusing me of calling you names when I'm not?

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Yeah it is,but for what i care from those armies....(rofl egyptian and french...).
and dont forget those guys doesnt rely only on their weapon(fortunately).

That's gotta be the most retarded statement I've ever read. Of course they rely on their weapons. Every military in the world relies on its weapons.

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A bit smaller?nah the main problem is that the desert eagle cost a lot much than a simple S&W revolver model...
even if its better in some qualities,like number of ammunition in the magazine,or rate of fire...

No, they're quite a bit smaller.

S&W Model 66


Model 686


And it wasn't the Department of Defense that chose the revolvers, it was the SEALs themselves. Since the guys who use them are the ones that chose them, your cost argument is moot.

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and yeah i ever heard of the MK23 offensive handgun weapon system,the first of i ever heard that is used as a offensive pistol,and what funny is its heavy and almost bulkier as a Desert Eagle is(yeah ok almost the double of ammunition,12,but of a lesser caliber,)but still its a great pistol.

And not a single SOF unit uses it or even maintains it in their armory because it's too fucking big, and even a larger magazine capacity doesn't make up for it. Hence the reason they favor 1911s.

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Its funny when i think that not long much time ago u were arging that the G3 and m14 do not use the same 7.62mm ammunition,and could i remind you they dont have the same rate of fire,and number of ammunition in the magazine?

No, that was the AK and the M14 I was talking about. The M14 and G3 both chamber 7.62x51mm NATO, and 20-round magazines are standard on both rifles. The AK uses 7.62x39mm.

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1911 and usp do fire the same round,thats true,but in the pistols "basic" world(most known or used pistols) there arnt many different calibers(i repeat again,its only availalble for the "basic" pistol world,wich is the one most used in video games)there is:9mm,45acp,and the third may differ sometimes(5.56 round of the 5-7 or .50AE of the desert eagle),and well usp got 10 rounds,where the 1911(or whatever model) is using 7 or 8 rounds,and again both arnt of the same reliability,and arnt working same,but yeah what does it have to do in a video game?(except number of rounds)

It's about gameplay. Using different weapons keeps a shooter like CoD fresh. If I have to go through every SP stage or MP game with the same weapons, it's gonna get boring quick.

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CORRECT!its about variety,but can we call(in a video game I remind you)variety,3 weapons who looks almost the same?(except for the last one who got a slightly different caliber),i dont think so,as i wrote it before,how the weapons works inside doesnt count that much(if you try it,in the game most weapons doesnt even have the skin completely made,the m14 doesnt even have a right side!),so yeah want those weapons in a game like arma or a game who includes 1000 weapons,Ok.
BUT dont try to implement 3 damn same (yeah as i said it before, their quite twins in a game like CODMW)in a game that holds as much as 30 weapons,your asking to have the 1/10 of those weapons the same?damn it!thats quite useless(not to say stupid).

Having the Desert Eagle is useless and stupid, too. But why do you want it? Because you like it.
Why do I want an LWRC and a C8A2? Because I like them.

Like I said, when I'm playing as one of a given country's Special Operations units, I want to use the weapons that organization uses. Meaning if I'm British SAS, I want to use the L119A1 (C8A2) carbine, L17A1 (AG-C) grenade launcher, and the L117A1 (P226) pistol. If I'm a United States Marine, I want to use the M16A4, M203, and MEU-SOC. If I'm Russian Spetsnaz, I want to use AK variants and GP-series grenade launchers. It's that simple.

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Well,you know what?after all,I really really doesnt care of what someone like you think of me or of my knowledge(wich are far from what you suppose),and by the way,if you call someone "acting like an immature ass" someones who's judging only upon his own knowledge(wich arnt that big i guess from what i see now)and judging down already before even knowing someone only because he likes something that you state as "pissy pistol for noobs",well i think that im not the one whos acting like an "immature ass" here....

Then why don't you quit accusing me of calling you all kinds of stupid names? "Wannabe gangster" and "WANNABEGANGSTAAKIMBOUZIUSERNOOB" never came to my mind until you accused me of thinking it about you. Are you so insecure that you have to call yourself names on behalf of other people to get your point across in a discussion? That is what I mean when I say you're acting like an immature ass.

The simple truth is that I don't think you're a wannabe gangster or uziakimbouser-whatever. I don't even have you on my foes list here, because I don't consider you that.

Off-topic

Avoid gangstas and other stuff please

frodomir wrote:

Off-topic

Avoid gangstas and other stuff please

I thought about that too, but I think that the title of the thread alone is not the only thing to consider, this is really just a considerate way for GL and PE to continue their debate instead of going off-topic on another thread, where all of this would be irrelevant, and all of those things were included in the original post for the thread.

Ghost Leader wrote:

First you're condemning the enhancement and modernization of the 1911, yet you push it for the Desert Eagle. Typical fanboy.

I wasnt talking about enhancement and modernization like those were made on the 1911,just internal enhancement for the parts who might be a bit too "weak",not any fuckin "enhancement" like they did on the 1911,but then what it does it change on the pistol will you tell me?a lot id say(and may i remind you that i said sometimes changes are good,sometimes not,and i did not mention to change any thing on the external side of the desert eagle).
and im almost,perhaps more,a "fanboy" of the colt m1911A1 government.

Ghost Leader wrote:

Yeah, actually I have. It kicks like a mule, it's loud as fuck, and you have to be Arnold Schwarzenegger to avoid breaking your arm when firing the .50 AE version.

Then id like to see you shooting with a Raging Bull or with a S&W m500 (.454 or .500 magnum,fair guns)

Ghost Leader wrote:

You also created the most effective army knife in the world.

Yeah but this doesnt cost that much

Ghost Leader wrote:

Why do you keep accusing me of calling you names when I'm not?

So,for you fanboy isnt one of em?uh uh ok...
So dont get any offend if i call you M4s fanboy.

Ghost Leader wrote:

That's gotta be the most retarded statement I've ever read. Of course they rely on their weapons. Every military in the world relies on its weapons.

Do you read everything?I said NOT ONLY on their weapons(wich means they count on it too,I guess )

Ghost Leader wrote:

No, they're quite a bit smaller.

And it wasn't the Department of Defense that chose the revolvers, it was the SEALs themselves. Since the guys who use them are the ones that chose them, your cost argument is moot.

Yes they are a bit smaller,but as I said(do you really read everything,or are you too lazy?)
it is NOT the MAIN problem,the desert eagle cost a lot than those revolver(even for a better rate of fire and more ammunition),even for those soldiers who choose themselves their gun(that doesnt mean they would buy it if they had infinite credit,but who knows?everyone loves different weapons).

Ghost Leader wrote:

And not a single SOF unit uses it or even maintains it in their armory because it's too fucking big, and even a larger magazine capacity doesn't make up for it. Hence the reason they favor 1911s.

Yeah i know,they rather use the USP or the 1911s.

Ghost Leader wrote:

No, that was the AK and the M14 I was talking about. The M14 and G3 both chamber 7.62x51mm NATO, and 20-round magazines are standard on both rifles. The AK uses 7.62x39mm.

Yeah,still i know all of this.

Ghost Leader wrote:

It's about gameplay. Using different weapons keeps a shooter like CoD fresh. If I have to go through every SP stage or MP game with the same weapons, it's gonna get boring quick.

Using the weapons u like/love never gets you bored(and yeah id really like to do the whole campaign with the same weapons i like,its a lot of annoying to play some missions,wich are great,with weapons u dislike,or atleast they should let you the choice of the weapons before every mission).

Ghost Leader wrote:

Having the Desert Eagle is useless and stupid, too. But why do you want it? Because you like it.
Why do I want an LWRC and a C8A2? Because I like them.

Yeah....but am i askin to have the Baby Desert Eagle along with the Desert Eagle,or to have the M1911A1 gov. along with the Government model series 80?No,because (yeah,the baby is just smaller,with smaller clip)like i said,in a game that holds as many as 30 weapons,that would be useless to use 2 weapon slots for the quite same weapons(yeah,as i said,it doesnt change anything how they work inside in a game like CODMW).

Ghost Leader wrote:

Like I said, when I'm playing as one of a given country's Special Operations units, I want to use the weapons that organization uses. Meaning if I'm British SAS, I want to use the L119A1 (C8A2) carbine, L17A1 (AG-C) grenade launcher, and the L117A1 (P226) pistol. If I'm a United States Marine, I want to use the M16A4, M203, and MEU-SOC. If I'm Russian Spetsnaz, I want to use AK variants and GP-series grenade launchers. It's that simple.

Yeah,understood,but this isnt really important in a game like CODMW,you might request that in a game like Arma or Arma2...(yeah i doubt the "super" community of CODMW will follow you on this path),or even in Insurgency,you would like it alot i guess....

Ghost Leader wrote:

Then why don't you quit accusing me of calling you all kinds of stupid names? "Wannabe gangster" and "WANNABEGANGSTAAKIMBOUZIUSERNOOB" never came to my mind until you accused me of thinking it about you. Are you so insecure that you have to call yourself names on behalf of other people to get your point across in a discussion? That is what I mean when I say you're acting like an immature ass.

Yeah,every night in my bed i repeat those words....."your strong,your strong,your strong,you dont fear the dark" then I cry..... (you would really like i did ,huh?)

and your not calling me by any names,thats right,m4s fanboy.

Ghost Leader wrote:

The simple truth is that I don't think you're a wannabe gangster or uziakimbouser-whatever. I don't even have you on my foes list here, because I don't consider you that.

Oh,I was so happy to think you consider me as an enemy.....
(after all im the PublicEnemy ....
yeah i pulled it out before anyone does.)


ps:its funny to see how you avoid some parts of what I said,like if I was right...(yeah then you will tell me,"because theres not much to say about this.." .... )but do as you wish,were gettin smaller in the quotes every time.

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I wasnt talking about enhancement and modernization like those were made on the 1911,just internal enhancement for the parts who might be a bit too "weak",not any fuckin "enhancement" like they did on the 1911,but then what it does it change on the pistol will you tell me?a lot id say(and may i remind you that i said sometimes changes are good,sometimes not,and i did not mention to change any thing on the external side of the desert eagle).

The external of the Desert Eagle is what kills its usefulness in a combat scenario. It's too damn big and heavy, as I've previously pointed out. Soldiers carry enough gear as it is, and the last thing they want are pistols on their legs that weigh as much as a damn brick! The modern warfighter is designed to be light and fast, and weapons are chosen according to this template. It's why the 5.56mm M16 was adopted in the '60s to replace the 7.62mm M14. The weapon itself is lighter, as is the round. Soldiers can carry more ammunition for the same amount of weight.

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So,for you fanboy isnt one of em?uh uh ok...

No, I did call you a fanboy. I deny calling you a ganster and wannabeakimbo-whatever. You're the one contradicting everything you say, not me.

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So dont get any offend if i call you M4s fanboy.

Fanboys praise everything they like about something while ignoring the drawbacks, which is what you're doing with your Desert Eagle argument.

I like the M4, yes, but at the same time I acknowledge its drawbacks, such as increased stresses on internal parts derived from hot gases shot back into the receiver, decreased effectiveness of the 5.56x45mm round when fired from a short barrel, bad cheekweld with the standard stock, problems with overheating, rail systems not retaining zero, an increased cyclic rate derived from a shortened gas tube that causes feeding problems, and a few other things. I know it's not a perfect weapon.

Your only argument on behalf of the Desert Eagle is stopping power and magazine capacity (which is all that matters in a video game, but not real life). You don't consider the weight of the weapon, size of the weapon, weight of ammo, felt recoil, rate of malfunction, etc.. Cost is entirely irrelevant either way.

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it is NOT the MAIN problem,the desert eagle cost a lot than those revolver(even for a better rate of fire and more ammunition),even for those soldiers who choose themselves their gun.

Now your argument is failing. SEALs, among other SOF operators, know firearms better than the both of us combined, so if a SEAL chooses a revolver over a Desert Eagle when his life rests on the decision, there's something inherently superior about the revolver (in this case the lighter weight, lesser felt recoil, and drastically lower rate of malfunction).

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Using the weapons u like/love never gets you bored

Yeah, it does. I like the M4 and M203, but I'd still like to have a C8 or LWRC to play with as an alternative.

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Yeah....but am i askin to have the Baby Desert Eagle along with the Desert Eagle,or to have the M1911A1 gov. along with the Government model series 80?

Them being the same doesn't matter. And, BTW, the so-called "Baby Eagle" (aka the Jericho 941) is an entirely different weapon, not just a scaled down Desert Eagle. Different operating system. And unlike the Desert Eagle, the Jericho does see use by Israeli troops.

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No,because (yeah,the baby is just smaller,with smaller clip)like i said,in a game that holds as many as 30 weapons,that would be useless to use 2 weapon slots for the quite same weapons

And how do you know the game is limited to 30 weapons? MGS4 is an inherently larger game (speaking in terms of the amount of data stored on the disc) and it has 70 weapons. CoD doesn't even come close to that amount of data, so who's to say it can't have 100 weapons or more?

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Yeah,understood,but this isnt really important in a game like CODMW

I disagree. I want the US Marines in it to be armed accurately. If there were Swiss troops in the game, would you want them to be armed with SIG 550 rifles and P220 pistols (yeah, I know what arms Swiss troops carry) or would you rather they be given a generalized selection of M16 rifles and M9 pistols?

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you might request that in a game like Arma or Arma2...(yeah i doubt the "super" community of CODMW will follow you on this path),or even in Insurgency,you would like it alot i guess....

Never heard of "Arma" and I don't care for Insurgency. And I don't really give a damn what the general CoD community wants. But if you look on YouTube, you can see numerous MW2 weapon wishlists on there with weapons like P226s, Mark 14s, and even XM8s (however much I hate that last one) on them.

Well, this quote is now useless and makes me look like an idiot so...poof! It's gone.

Hand to hand is the basis of all combat. Make me feel alive again.

Spike991 wrote:

Hand to hand is the basis of all combat. Make me feel alive again.

Ah yes, back to primitive times.

Ghost Leader wrote:

The external of the Desert Eagle is what kills its usefulness in a combat scenario. It's too damn big and heavy, as I've previously pointed out. Soldiers carry enough gear as it is, and the last thing they want are pistols on their legs that weigh as much as a damn brick! The modern warfighter is designed to be light and fast, and weapons are chosen according to this template. It's why the 5.56mm M16 was adopted in the '60s to replace the 7.62mm M14. The weapon itself is lighter, as is the round. Soldiers can carry more ammunition for the same amount of weight.

Here we go on the main problem,thats right,the soldiers carries enough of USELESS gear as it is,some marines already made videos about this,their too damn heavy!look at the russians,most of em are lightweight and its all good(and no,showing ONE screen out of 100 where one of em is carrying a lot doesnt count when the other 99 show em with lightweight,the russians are like this,and thats what make em good).

Ghost Leader wrote:

No, I did call you a fanboy. I deny calling you a ganster and wannabeakimbo-whatever. You're the one contradicting everything you say, not me.

Calling me a fanboy or whatever u want is the same(even more as how u state what is a "fanboy")

Ghost Leader wrote:

Fanboys praise everything they like about something while ignoring the drawbacks, which is what you're doing with your Desert Eagle argument.

The words u wrote about the drawbacks of the m4 are the first ive ever seen(and I guess you made it to not be called fanboy).

Ghost Leader wrote:

I like the M4, yes, but at the same time I acknowledge its drawbacks, such as increased stresses on internal parts derived from hot gases shot back into the receiver, decreased effectiveness of the 5.56x45mm round when fired from a short barrel, bad cheekweld with the standard stock, problems with overheating, rail systems not retaining zero, an increased cyclic rate derived from a shortened gas tube that causes feeding problems, and a few other things. I know it's not a perfect weapon.

Dont worry,i know the drawbacks of one of my favorites pistol too(even if some of them arnt a big problem for my personal use),yes,the desert eagle is probably not the perfect pistol,yes its heavy,and yes some of his internal parts are sometimes too weak for his high-powered blast,thats for the most ,but as i said,most of those problems arnt so "problematic" for me,and yeah i know we were talkin about his use in the armies BUT ALSO for a personal use(wich is a civilian one).

Ghost Leader wrote:

Your only argument on behalf of the Desert Eagle is stopping power and magazine capacity (which is all that matters in a video game, but not real life). You don't consider the weight of the weapon, size of the weapon, weight of ammo, felt recoil, rate of malfunction, etc.. Cost is entirely irrelevant either way.

Already wrote about this,and for an army use,the cost is EXTREMELY important,the army will provide you the supplies at the lesser costs(funny when you think the budget of the US army is near the one thousand billions of dollars,yes 1000 billions).

Ghost Leader wrote:

Now your argument is failing. SEALs, among other SOF operators, know firearms better than the both of us combined, so if a SEAL chooses a revolver over a Desert Eagle when his life rests on the decision, there's something inherently superior about the revolver (in this case the lighter weight, lesser felt recoil, and drastically lower rate of malfunction).

Thats right,but as i said,everyone has is own tastes(and yeah because their SF and use weapons everyday,their choices are the best?ok then....why other SF over the world make different choices?and dont forget that nobody is perfect,it has nothing to do with their choice,but it just mean that their not allmighty).

Ghost Leader wrote:

Yeah, it does. I like the M4 and M203, but I'd still like to have a C8 or LWRC to play with as an alternative.

An alternative?their quite twins!(and no,how does it work inside really doesnt count in a game like CODMW)
but as you wish...

Ghost Leader wrote:

Them being the same doesn't matter. And, BTW, the so-called "Baby Eagle" (aka the Jericho 941) is an entirely different weapon, not just a scaled down Desert Eagle. Different operating system. And unlike the Desert Eagle, the Jericho does see use by Israeli troops.

Thanks mr.teacher,i know what is a Jericho 941 but i was talking about the REAL BABY desert eagle(wich is just a scalled down desert eagle),and for you to know the jericho,not only different by the operating system,it does different ammunition,wich are 9mm or .45acp.

Ghost Leader wrote:

And how do you know the game is limited to 30 weapons? MGS4 is an inherently larger game (speaking in terms of the amount of data stored on the disc) and it has 70 weapons. CoD doesn't even come close to that amount of data, so who's to say it can't have 100 weapons or more?

Yes,it COULD have over 100 weapons,but come on,dont be so naive,its CODMW ,the first got only 27 weapons!(and im counting in the gold desert eagle.... ),its like if you were askin Counter-strike:source to have ironsights added and more realism!its just so obvious that there wont be as much as 40 weapons(45 if your lucky).

Ghost Leader wrote:

I disagree. I want the US Marines in it to be armed accurately. If there were Swiss troops in the game, would you want them to be armed with SIG 550 rifles and P220 pistols (yeah, I know what arms Swiss troops carry) or would you rather they be given a generalized selection of M16 rifles and M9 pistols?

First of all,i really dont care about my own army(the swiss army,yeah..)its just a useless army!but thats irrelevant here(I just meant that i wouldnt care that much of having the swiss army in a game without the correct weapons...),and as i said already,its CALL OF DUTY dude!the game based on Hollywood epic scenes for the solo campaign!
wake up dude,and for army using right weapons,just go to something with a bit more of "realism" like Arma(yeah Insurgency too,but you "dont care" about it....).

Ghost Leader wrote:

Never heard of "Arma" and I don't care for Insurgency. And I don't really give a damn what the general CoD community wants. But if you look on YouTube, you can see numerous MW2 weapon wishlists on there with weapons like P226s, Mark 14s, and even XM8s (however much I hate that last one) on them.

For the request weapons,theres about thousands of peoples(if not millions) that are waiting for COMDW2....so you could even find peoples who wants the Glock(the model u want,i dont care) and the Famas added in it(wich i really hate both)!

As for Arma,i just cant believe that you never ever heard about it,its THE best simulation of modern warfare!
and its even more unbelievable,as i wrote a topic about Arma2 here...(wich is coming out soon)
but here you go...
http://www.residentevilforums.net/off-topic-f9/the-simulation-t986.htm
(the trailer says it all)
and if you want more...
http://www.armedassault.com/



Ps:I saw that you removed your quote about "read you post again",and ill say for this,it prove once again that you just avoid some words to get better arguments(or atleast just read what you want to read).

Ghost Leader wrote:

lyfesArcanum wrote:

Spike991 wrote:

Hand to hand is the basis of all combat. Make me feel alive again.

Ah yes, back to primitive times.

lol. That's hilarious! 300 was an okay movie, nowhere near my favorite though.

lyfesArcanum wrote:

Ghost Leader wrote:

lyfesArcanum wrote:

Spike991 wrote:

Hand to hand is the basis of all combat. Make me feel alive again.

Ah yes, back to primitive times.

lol. That's hilarious! 300 was an okay movie, nowhere near my favorite though.

LOL man people have some good ideas with sparta thing xD

PublicEnemy wrote:

Here we go on the main problem,thats right,the soldiers carries enough of USELESS gear as it is,some marines already made videos about this,their too damn heavy!look at the russians,most of em are lightweight and its all good(and no,showing ONE screen out of 100 where one of em is carrying a lot doesnt count when the other 99 show em with lightweight,the russians are like this,and thats what make em good).

And yet you claim they should add a pistol that weighs as much as a brick, has enough recoil to knock itself back in your face, and a muzzle flash large enough to light up a large warehouse? Well, let's analyze that:

Weight: As I've previously pointed out, the Desert Eagle is so big and heavy it's ridiculous. It weighs damn near as much as an M4. Then there's the weight of the ammunition itself. The more weight a soldier has on him, the slower and more awkwardly he moves. Moving slowly in combat means you die.

Recoil: The recoil of a Desert Eagle is horrific (and I find your claim of firing one nothing more than a two-faced lie). The more recoil a weapon has, the slower the shooter is to get back on target after a shot. And if a soldier can't quickly reacquire his target in the case that his first shot misses, he dies.

Muzzle flash: Muzzle flash gives away your position. On a covert mission (like most SOF specialize in) where you're often outnumbered, giving away your position means you die. Not to mention there's the effect of a bright muzzle flash in night vision goggles, which can blind a soldier for the precious few seconds it takes the enemy to kill him.

And I could really care less what Russian troops are kitted up with, seeing as I have no stake in it.

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The words u wrote about the drawbacks of the m4 are the first ive ever seen(and I guess you made it to not be called fanboy).

Just goes to show you don't know as much as you claim. Those problems with the M4 have been documented for years. You can find any one of a billion discussions and such about it all over the Internet. Unlike your fanboy obsession with the Desert Eagle, I know the M4 isn't a perfect end-all weapon.

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Dont worry,i know the drawbacks of one of my favorites pistol too(even if some of them arnt a big problem for my personal use),yes,the desert eagle is probably not the perfect pistol,yes its heavy,and yes some of his internal parts are sometimes too weak for his high-powered blast,thats for the most ,but as i said,most of those problems arnt so "problematic" for me,and yeah i know we were talkin about his use in the armies BUT ALSO for a personal use(wich is a civilian one).

I don't give a shit about civilian use. I'm not discussing civilian use.

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Already wrote about this,and for an army use,the cost is EXTREMELY important,the army will provide you the supplies at the lesser costs(funny when you think the budget of the US army is near the one thousand billions of dollars,yes 1000 billions).

I know what the budget of the US Army is. But small arms aren't the only thing in said budget. You've got tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, helicopters, airplanes, computer software, helmets, body armor, combat uniforms, surveillance equipment, and millions of other things.

But something you obviously don't know is that USSOCOM is given their own budget to purchase whatever they want. So, no, cost is entirely irrelevant in this case.

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Thats right,but as i said,everyone has is own tastes(and yeah because their SF and use weapons everyday,their choices are the best?ok then....why other SF over the world make different choices?and dont forget that nobody is perfect,it has nothing to do with their choice,but it just mean that their not allmighty).

Name a single SOF organization that uses your precious Desert Eagle compared to the ones I've already stated as issuing M4s.

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An alternative?their quite twins!(and no,how does it work inside really doesnt count in a game like CODMW)
but as you wish...

You may not care about SOF units being authentically armed, but I do.

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Thanks mr.teacher,i know what is a Jericho 941 but i was talking about the REAL BABY desert eagle(wich is just a scalled down desert eagle),and for you to know the jericho,not only different by the operating system,it does different ammunition,wich are 9mm or .45acp.

You're still referring to the Jericho, which I've already pointed out does see use by Israeli troops. Common nicknames for it are Baby Eagle and Baby Desert Eagle, despite the fact that it's an entirely different weapon.

If you don't believe me, here's proof: http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_BabyDesertEagle.htm

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Yes,it COULD have over 100 weapons,but come on,dont be so naive,its CODMW ,the first got only 27 weapons!(and im counting in the gold desert eagle.... ),its like if you were askin Counter-strike:source to have ironsights added and more realism!its just so obvious that there wont be as much as 40 weapons(45 if your lucky).

The number of weapons in the first Call of Duty is as irrelevant as cost is to US SOF. Just because you don't like variety, doesn't make others naive for thinking differently.

As I previously said, you can't stand it when people don't agree with you and you're labeling them naive for doing so is severely flawed logic.

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First of all,i really dont care about my own army(the swiss army,yeah..)its just a useless army!but thats irrelevant here(I just meant that i wouldnt care that much of having the swiss army in a game without the correct weapons...),

The Swiss Army is irrelevant, period. I mean, it's so utterly pathetic that the whole country hides behind a veil of "neutrality".

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and as i said already,its CALL OF DUTY dude!the game based on Hollywood epic scenes for the solo campaign!

Exactly, it's entertainment. You know what variety of weapons in a shooter game provides? Entertainment.

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wake up dude,and for army using right weapons,just go to something with a bit more of "realism" like Arma(yeah Insurgency too,but you "dont care" about it....).

Yeah, I don't like Insurgency. You sit by and defend "personal preference" of that bad horror movie the Desert Eagle, yet you mock me for not liking a specific game. That makes you a hypocrite.

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For the request weapons,theres about thousands of peoples(if not millions) that are waiting for COMDW2....so you could even find peoples who wants the Glock(the model u want,i dont care) and the Famas added in it(wich i really hate both)!

The only mention I made of a Glock was that Israeli troops use the Model 17.

A FAMAS might be fun to use. Ugly as hell, but still might be fun to use.

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As for Arma,i just cant believe that you never ever heard about it,its THE best simulation of modern warfare!

I'm a bit more partial to America's Army.

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and its even more unbelievable,as i wrote a topic about Arma2 here...(wich is coming out soon)

I hadn't seen it until just now. Seeing as most forums have cut-off dates and strict rules about bumping topics that haven't been active within a certain period of time, I don't go searching through anything but the first couple of pages in a given sub-forum.

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Ps:I saw that you removed your quote about "read you post again",and ill say for this,it prove once again that you just avoid some words to get better arguments(or atleast just read what you want to read).

I misread it. So sue me.

I have an idea! How about I start up and nitpick about how horrible your english is and how you have no grasp of proper grammar or punctuation?

Ghost Leader wrote:

And yet you claim they should add a pistol that weighs as much as a brick, has enough recoil to knock itself back in your face, and a muzzle flash large enough to light up a large warehouse? Well, let's analyze that:

No,lets not analyze that,i know that its not a perfect fit for the US marines(or whoever you want) and Im not claiming they should get it,I was just debating about how the Desert Eagle is awfull OR not,not debating about the marines should get it OR not....(wich is your debate,but i dont really care about the US army,u started the whole thing about them).
so keep debating about what the marines should use(or not),I dont care,im just stating that the Desert Eagle is not as awfull as you say it,thats all.

Ghost Leader wrote:

And I could really care less what Russian troops are kitted up with, seeing as I have no stake in it.

Yeah,better speacking about what you really "know" better than me,eh?so easy...

Ghost Leader wrote:

Just goes to show you don't know as much as you claim. Those problems with the M4 have been documented for years. You can find any one of a billion discussions and such about it all over the Internet. Unlike your fanboy obsession with the Desert Eagle, I know the M4 isn't a perfect end-all weapon.

Just goes to show your really as dumb and judgemental after those who dont follow the same path as you show it
I said:"The words u wrote about the drawbacks of the m4 are the first ive ever seen" ,i was speacking about YOU,
YOU wrote the first drawbacks about your beloved M4 on this thread(the one before i wrote that).

Ghost Leader wrote:

I don't give a shit about civilian use. I'm not discussing civilian use.

Yeah,again its so easy to not discuss whereever u cant be totally right(wich is everywhere:u cant be at 100% right everywhere,but here it seems you know it,funny).

Ghost Leader wrote:

I know what the budget of the US Army is. But small arms aren't the only thing in said budget. You've got tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, helicopters, airplanes, computer software, helmets, body armor, combat uniforms, surveillance equipment, and millions of other things.

Yeah thanks to tell me this,i didnt know the US army got all those things to buy but what i was stating is that other countries got a smaller budget and buy all those things too.


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But something you obviously don't know is that USSOCOM is given their own budget to purchase whatever they want. So, no, cost is entirely irrelevant in this case.

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Its not ENTIRELY irrelevant,as they got a budget(even if its a personal one),they have to watch it.


[quote="Ghost Leader"]
Name a single SOF organization that uses your precious Desert Eagle compared to the ones I've already stated as issuing M4s.

I was just stating that your "allmighty" USSOCOM arnt perfect in their choose of weapons,as many other SF in the world choose different weapons,as i ALREADY said,everyone got his own taste.

Ghost Leader wrote:

You may not care about SOF units being authentically armed, but I do.

You really cant deal about the fact CODMW isnt a realistic based game ,right?

Ghost Leader wrote:

You're still referring to the Jericho, which I've already pointed out does see use by Israeli troops. Common nicknames for it are Baby Eagle and Baby Desert Eagle, despite the fact that it's an entirely different weapon.

Still i was speacking about the small version of the desert eagle(wich is NOT a Jericho941),then consider it as THE OTHER BABY DESERT EAGLE?...and yeah now we all know(i knew it but nevermind...)the Israeli troops use it.

Ghost Leader wrote:

If you don't believe me, here's proof: http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_BabyDesertEagle.htm

Already said what i had to say about it....

Ghost Leader wrote:

The number of weapons in the first Call of Duty is as irrelevant as cost is to US SOF. Just because you don't like variety, doesn't make others naive for thinking differently.

I like variety,but as i said,wake up dude,its Call Of Duty,an almost entirely unrealistic game,and yes its TOTALLY relevant
as the next one is CODMW"2"(wich means its a sequel to the one...),but anyway,you will see it on the internet when they will speack about the weapons in it.

Ghost Leader wrote:

As I previously said, you can't stand it when people don't agree with you and you're labeling them naive for doing so is severely flawed logic.

How funny,it sounds like you.

Ghost Leader wrote:

The Swiss Army is irrelevant, period. I mean, it's so utterly pathetic that the whole country hides behind a veil of "neutrality".

Your the first who were speackin about the Swiss army,but anyway,as you said its irrelevant.

Ghost Leader wrote:

Exactly, it's entertainment. You know what variety of weapons in a shooter game provides? Entertainment.

Ooooh,so you agree with me,its a Hollywood scenes based-on solo campaign?
yeah...Hollywood,you know?where they all make shooters movies where the most used pistol is almost everytime a Desert Eagle...(yeah,the renown of the Desert Eagle is based on the movies he was involved to,but i guess you know that).

Ghost Leader wrote:

Yeah, I don't like Insurgency. You sit by and defend "personal preference" of that bad horror movie the Desert Eagle, yet you mock me for not liking a specific game. That makes you a hypocrite.

Yeah and you mock me(or call me a fanboy and start a debate about it...,thats same)for liking a specific pistol...

Ghost Leader wrote:

The only mention I made of a Glock was that Israeli troops use the Model 17.

A FAMAS might be fun to use. Ugly as hell, but still might be fun to use.

I wasnt speacking about you mentioned it or not,i was just saying that you could find every weapon of the world(even the ugliest)when thousands(if not billions)of people make their own wish-list of weapons for CODMW2.

Ghost Leader wrote:

I'm a bit more partial to America's Army.

No,really ?.....

Ghost Leader wrote:

I hadn't seen it until just now. Seeing as most forums have cut-off dates and strict rules about bumping topics that haven't been active within a certain period of time, I don't go searching through anything but the first couple of pages in a given sub-forum.

Yeah,the forum is a bit "buggy" at this time...

Ghost Leader wrote:

I misread it. So sue me.

I have an idea! How about I start up and nitpick about how horrible your english is and how you have no grasp of proper grammar or punctuation?

Yeah,first of all,thats right,you misread it,TWICE!(perhaps more)

and i got another idea,ill keep debating here(even if your debating for other ideas)
but in french,ok?so ill be get proper grammer AND punctuation.(but well,about punctuation,i dont really care of it,look at my "I",its a forum,not a english writing contest)


Alors tête de noeud,si on débatait encore pendant des siècles sur le fait que t'es presque un fanatique de l'armée U.S et que tout ceux qui pensent pas comme toi sont des "mechants qui font rien qu'a t'embêter",hein?ou bien alors on pourrait débattre sur le fait que tu me les casses à pas comprendre que CODMW2 est un jeu pas vraiment réaliste qui va avoir au maximum 45 armes?où encore sur le fait que tu me les brises avec ta m4 de boulet,arme utilisée(on finira par le savoir)par ces roastbifs de marines...le pire c'est que tu te permets de parler comme un professeur alors que manifestement tu t'y connais pas autant que tu veux nous le faire croire.

So yeah,sue me because im not PERFECT in english,but i dont misread the topics of others TWICES.(if not more).
(and yeah come on,use google to translate what I said,youll see its about the debate and very funny,but i doubt some of the words will be correctly translated).

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You really cant deal about the fact CODMW isnt a realistic based game ,right?

COD 5 - Not at all
COD 4 - Weapons are, whole war not, expect the Iraq related stuff (Terrorism and stuff)



French eh? You can say it all in English, its English board.

frodomir wrote:

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You really cant deal about the fact CODMW isnt a realistic based game ,right?

COD 5 - Not at all
COD 4 - Weapons are, whole war not, expect the Iraq related stuff (Terrorism and stuff)



French eh? You can say it all in English, its English board.

About the weapons,some are wrongly done(I agree nobody's perfect,its just to answer),they even didnt make some right side of the weapon skins(try to go to the right with your mouse really fast with the m21,or the m14,and there ,ok nobody's perfect,but come on they dont have to be so lazy).

And yeah,thanks,I know its english board,but as my english is "too" bad for mr.GhostLeader ,I just wrote it in french(yeah I know he was stating Im sueing him for misread TWICE my thread,but thats so much worse and ridiculous on my point,especially when,based on this "misread", hes arguing i know nothing in the thread he was "quoting").

PublicEnemy wrote:

frodomir wrote:

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You really cant deal about the fact CODMW isnt a realistic based game ,right?

COD 5 - Not at all
COD 4 - Weapons are, whole war not, expect the Iraq related stuff (Terrorism and stuff)



French eh? You can say it all in English, its English board.

About the weapons,some are wrongly done(I agree nobody's perfect,its just to answer),they even didnt make some right side of the weapon skins(try to go to the right with your mouse really fast with the m21,or the m14,and there ,ok nobody's perfect,but come on they dont have to be so lazy).

And yeah,thanks,I know its english board,but as my english is "too" bad for mr.GhostLeader ,I just wrote it in french(yeah I know he was stating Im sueing him for misread TWICE my thread,but thats so much worse and ridiculous on my point,especially when,based on this "misread", hes arguing i know nothing in the thread he was "quoting").

Ignore the skins ut some WW II weps were crap

frodomir wrote:

Ignore the skins ut some WW II weps were crap

I can hardly ignore somethin like that,but it wont prevent me from playing it.

and yeah some WWII weapons were crap,but some were and are legend.

PublicEnemy wrote:

Yeah,better speacking about what you really "know" better than me,eh?so easy...

I do know what kinds of weapons and gear Russian troops use, but that's kind of irrelevant here because I was never talking about what they use.

And there's no "C" in the word "speaking". Read a dictionary.

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Just goes to show your really as dumb and judgemental after those who dont follow the same path as you show it
I said:"The words u wrote about the drawbacks of the m4 are the first ive ever seen" ,i was speacking about YOU,
YOU wrote the first drawbacks about your beloved M4 on this thread(the one before i wrote that).

I fail to see what you're trying to say, because your english is so terrible.

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Yeah,again its so easy to not discuss whereever u cant be totally right(wich is everywhere:u cant be at 100% right everywhere,but here it seems you know it,funny).

I was never discussing civilian use in the first place. Civilians can get whatever they want because they don't put their lives in the chambers of the firearms they use, unlike military personnel. I'm talking about the Desert Eagle's inadequacy as a combat handgun, nothing more.

You're the one that's avoiding topics.

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Yeah thanks to tell me this,i didnt know the US army got all those things to buy but what i was stating is that other countries got a smaller budget and buy all those things too.

I doubt you'll believe me, but I knew what the US Army's budget was long before I even joined this forum.

You've yet to show me proof of any military organization using the Desert Eagle.

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Its not ENTIRELY irrelevant,as they got a budget(even if its a personal one),they have to watch it.

Yet they despise the Desert Eagle because it's a horrid monstrosity.

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I was just stating that your "allmighty" USSOCOM arnt perfect in their choose of weapons,as many other SF in the world choose different weapons,as i ALREADY said,everyone got his own taste.

You're avoiding the topic. Show me proof of a military organization using the Desert Eagle compared to the several I've already listed as using M4s.

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You really cant deal about the fact CODMW isnt a realistic based game ,right?

If realism played no part in CoD4, they'd all be using phased 40wt plasma guns.

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Still i was speacking about the small version of the desert eagle(wich is NOT a Jericho941),then consider it as THE OTHER BABY DESERT EAGLE?...and yeah now we all know(i knew it but nevermind...)the Israeli troops use it.

Then show me a picture of this alleged "Other Baby Desert Eagle".

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Already said what i had to say about it....

Then why did you quote it?

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I like variety,but as i said,wake up dude,its Call Of Duty,an almost entirely unrealistic game,and yes its TOTALLY relevant
as the next one is CODMW"2"(wich means its a sequel to the one...),but anyway,you will see it on the internet when they will speack about the weapons in it.

Uh, no, CoD4 is not nearly as unrealistic as you claim.

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How funny,it sounds like you.

I don't care if you like the Desert Eagle, I'm saying it's horribly inadequate for military use due to weight, recoil, reliability, etc.. You're the one trying to make it about civilian use.
[i]Your the first who were speackin about the Swiss army,but anyway,as you said its irrelevant.[/quote]
The Swiss Army is pathetically irrelevant.

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Ooooh,so you agree with me,its a Hollywood scenes based-on solo campaign?
yeah...Hollywood,you know?where they all make shooters movies where the most used pistol is almost everytime a Desert Eagle...(yeah,the renown of the Desert Eagle is based on the movies he was involved to,but i guess you know that).

No, actually the most used pistol in Hollywood is the Beretta 92F. I've heard this directly from movie armorers themselves.

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Yeah and you mock me(or call me a fanboy and start a debate about it...,thats same)for liking a specific pistol...

No, I never argued you liking the Desert Eagle, I'm arguing that it's unsuitable as a combat handgun.

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I wasnt speacking about you mentioned it or not,

Yes, you did. Your exact words regarding it were "the model u want". I never said I wanted a Glock in CoD6, the pistols I want are the SIG P226 and FN Five-Seven. Now who needs to go back and reread?

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Yeah,the forum is a bit "buggy" at this time...

That has to do with what exactly?

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Yeah,first of all,thats right,you misread it,TWICE!(perhaps more)

Yes, I misread it. It's the result of your english being worse than the Desert Eagle as a combat pistol.