What's Your Stance On Sheva Alomar?

NiteKrawler wrote:

@Ace: Chris is not selfish in the least. He did not leave his comrades in Raccoon City. He was trying to bring Umbrella down and Jill left for a time as well. Chris was fighting for the greater good, which was not saving Raccoon City or anyone in it (which never happened anyway). He was focused on preventing another catastrophe from occuring.

oh was that somewhere in RE3?? maybe jill's diary? i forgot about that... but me looking into it is kinda selfish.. and jill was stupid enough to leave herself behind for too long to investigate the g-virus... (which was never shown and could be a great short jill scenario for operation raccoon city)

Mass Distraction wrote:

Aww, come on I won't even start defending her anymore. She's just there and always will be so we'll just have to deal with it. More characters = more fun. That is my unbiased opinion of the day. RE5 was an awesome game too. Well, as your name suggests the criticism might've been expected

Seriously, I won't start writing novels here anymore :F

Heh, part of the reason I'm so hard on RE5 is because I had such high expectations. RE5 is the reason I bought an Xbox 360 (I didn't own an seventh-generation system prior to that); RE4 is probably my second-favorite game ever, and I loved the trailers for RE5 that I had seen.

I was so sorely, sorely disappointed with Resident Evil 5 that I have never fully recovered. I even played through the whole thing again on Professional about a month ago just to see if I would enjoy it more... Nope. So I apologize if I'm biased in my criticisms.

NiteKrawler wrote:

@Harsh: Feeling that Sheva did not belong in the game is a valid concern as many feel the same way and it really is true. But saying the voice acting and script was not good is reaching.

It's just my opinion, I wasn't presenting it as fact or anything. I also don't think that I'm "reaching" to arrive at such a conclusion.

NiteKrawler wrote:

Though D. C. Douglas isn't some people's cup of tea for Wesker, he still did a good job as always. And Irving's voice actor was arguably the best the series has ever seen. You could feel the passion he had for the role every time he spoke. Every character in the game had a very good voice actor. And the script was fine with me and very great in certain parts. Like Wesker's philosophical thoughts on the world, the whole jet scene, the scene with Wesker and Spencer, and probably the best part of the whole game, the scene where you fight Wesker the first time and then go through the emotional battle of saving Jill.

Just to clarify, in that post I was referring only to the voice acting and lines that were given to Sheva.

But since you brought it up, I thought Wesker's voice actor was the best of the lot. However, I could NOT disagree more with your assessment of Irving's voice acting. I laughed out loud the first time I heard him speak, and I've played Co-Op through the game with 2 different friends who both gave an awkward laugh when they heard him speak, too. Sort of in a "Is this supposed to be serious?" way. Irving's lines are atrocious as well, he was given a terrible comeback line as his introduction ("Wow, perceptive, aren'tcha?") and it didn't improve much from there ("You're just in time for the fiyahworks show! BOOM Hahaha!"). Everyone I know who has experienced Irving has laughed at and made fun of him the very second they heard him speak, not just those who were Co-Opping with me.

But again, I was referring specifically to Sheva.

NiteKrawler wrote:

The music for this game really complimented the script and was some of the best the series has seen as well. It is no wonder Jun (I think it was Jun) cried when he first heard some of the music for the game. Compared to RE4, the script in RE5 was absolutely brilliant. Sure, there was some good dialogue in RE4, but the script is much more than that. The script is the story. And I'm sorry, I've said it for years and I'll say it again, a story in which the president's daughter is kidnapped by some fanatical freaks with an extremely stereotypical and boring henchman (Krauser), is just not a story to brag about. At all. I have conceded that Krauser was sooooo much better in DSC.

To clarify again, when I mentioned the "script", I meant dialogue. If we're talking about story here, I don't think that RE5 beats RE4 by much. I'm an RE4 fanboy, but I will admit the concept of the story was pretty uncreative and they could have done better... But I really don't think that RE5 fared much better. Krauser may have been a boring henchman, but what was Excella? Irving? The main difference in the villains comes from the superiority of Wesker to Lord Saddler, and I think RE4 has a better supporting cast. (Ada and Luis vs. Sheva and Jill... We'll forget Ashley existed.)

But again, I was originally just talking about Sheva, not the difference between RE4 and RE5, or the music, or the overall voice acting.

HarshlyCritical wrote:

I know she's supposed to be Chris' "guide" through Africa, but I don't find her necessary neither story-wise nor gameplay-wise, especially the latter..

We didn't have a guide in the mansion, or Raccoon, or even Europe, we didn't need one in RE5 either. Really all of the reasoning for her to be there, was really just all thrown in at the last minute I think, because of the racism claims, that stuff really ruined RE5 for us, because some nobody who has never played anything RE made some stupid, ignorant comments about how he saw something racist in RE5, from the early trailers, lame.

If you saw the early trailers and thought there was anything racist about them, realistically you have a negative and racial outlook on everything, that's N'Gai Croal.

i knew there were racism in RE... black people just keeps on dying

ace.redfield wrote:

i knew there were racism in RE... black people just keeps on dying

That was the problem I guess....that's why the enemies were changed up a bit. There's even a guy with blue eyes and blonde hair.

Spike991 wrote:

ace.redfield wrote:

i knew there were racism in RE... black people just keeps on dying

That was the problem I guess....that's why the enemies were changed up a bit. There's even a guy with blue eyes and blonde hair.

i just wanna know what the hell is wrong with capcom...

i also notice these weird deer taxidermy scattered through the games..

(from RE3)

(deer taxidermy)

Spoiler:

Maybe that's how Brian Irons got his money, selling his taxidermy work. I wonder how much for the mayor's daughter.

Please use the edit button in the top right corner of your posts if you wish to add something. That way, you avoid double posting. Anyway, I agree that Sheva's lines were probably the worst in the game. And I do believe the game would have been just fine, if not better, without her. Concerning Irving, I don't think he was supposed to be the most serious villain. That's obvious. I laughed too when he was on. That's what makes his character great. I'm sure you will agree when I say that villains shouldn't always be Albert Wesker/Terminator/Darth Vader clones. They deserve to have personality, even a lot of it, shine through. That is what Irving has. His lines were meant to convey the fact that he is borderline crazy. That he is an extremely colorful character. I guess some people just can't appreciate that kind of character. Which is sad to me. As for RE4's story, the only emotion in the whole thing was when

Spoiler:

. RE4 felt like it was thin...waving in the wind. RE5 at least had some bulk to the story. Some emotion. Some actual story. I mean...RE4 didn't even really further Resident Evil in any way other than gameplay. And yes, Excella was booooooring. Big time. Jill should have had just plain more time in the game. A lot more time.

NiteKrawler wrote:

Please use the edit button in the top right corner of your posts if you wish to add something. That way, you avoid double posting. Anyway, I agree that Sheva's lines were probably the worst in the game. And I do believe the game would have been just fine, if not better, without her. Concerning Irving, I don't think he was supposed to be the most serious villain. That's obvious. I laughed too when he was on. That's what makes his character great. I'm sure you will agree when I say that villains shouldn't always be Albert Wesker/Terminator/Darth Vader clones. They deserve to have personality, even a lot of it, shine through. That is what Irving has. His lines were meant to convey the fact that he is borderline crazy. That he is an extremely colorful character. I guess some people just can't appreciate that kind of character. Which is sad to me. As for RE4's story, the only emotion in the whole thing was when

Spoiler:

. RE4 felt like it was thin...waving in the wind. RE5 at least had some bulk to the story. Some emotion. Some actual story. I mean...RE4 didn't even really further Resident Evil in any way other than gameplay. And yes, Excella was booooooring. Big time. Jill should have had just plain more time in the game. A lot more time.

RE4 wasn't really hugely relevant, that's all. RE5 beat's RE4 in that regard, big time.

Another example of fun, eccentric villians is of course, the one and only John Travolta, like Swordfish or Broken Arrow, something like that wouldn't be too bad either.

John Travolta plays a surprisingly good villain.

so let me get this strait.. RE4 and 5 were disasters ?

ace.redfield wrote:

so let me get this strait.. RE4 and 5 were disasters ?

I know I sure as hell didn't say that. I love both. Though RE5 does get a lot of deserved bashing, I knock it myself every now and again, and the reasons are pretty obvious.

Both RE4 & RE5 do however get a lot of bashing anyway, and a lot of RE4's is very undeserved.

RE4 gets some undeserved bashing, but I feel RE5 gets a lot more undeserved bashing.

NiteKrawler wrote:

RE4 gets some undeserved bashing, but I feel RE5 gets a lot more undeserved bashing.

More, like more undeserving than RE4?

Examples please:

I mean other than AI...what else is there?

RE4 basically just gets bashed for the fanboyism is has. I never hear people bashing it for what should really be bashed, like the story. And I never hear RE5 getting praised for what it should be praised for. Like the story, fun coop factor (it is still fun even if it isn't REish!), the better cast of characters minus Sheva, the database of knowledge on RE as a whole.

NiteKrawler wrote:

RE4 basically just gets bashed for the fanboyism is has. I never hear people bashing it for what should really be bashed, like the story. And I never hear RE5 getting praised for what it should be praised for. Like the story, fun coop factor (it is still fun even if it isn't REish!), the better cast of characters minus Sheva, the database of knowledge on RE as a whole.

I've gotten into a lot of RE4 debates, and the story usually comes in at some point, but the major complaints I hear about it are the gameplay stuff. People that can't accept OTS, when in reality, a lot of those things aren't so different. I'ved had that same debate more times than I can remember....

RE5, well I don't hear it getting praised much at all, so let's be the first to do so, in fact, it might even deserve a thread.

The only aspects RE4 furthered storywise was the plaga and propably some stuff for Ada.

Btw. Neuerman Geisel from the RE5 comics by Ricardo Sanchez reminded me of Irving somehow.

Mass Distraction wrote:

The only aspects RE4 furthered storywise was the plaga and propably some stuff for Ada.

Btw. Neuerman Geisel from the RE5 comics by Ricardo Sanchez reminded me of Irving somehow.

Not probably, definately for Ada. The stuff with The Organization, Ada, Wesker, Krauser, "S", etc, are what was relevant to the big picture in RE4, for the entire series.

That was the stuff behind the scenes, which does give RE4's story some credit.

I meant propably in the way if Capcom is ever gonna tell us more about the stuff

ada.. i wonder what happened to her..

ace.redfield wrote:

ada.. i wonder what happened to her..

RE5 should have divulged some of that info, but didn't, completely left out any of the cliffhanger's from RE4.

Spike991 wrote:

ace.redfield wrote:

ada.. i wonder what happened to her..

RE5 should have divulged some of that info, but didn't, completely left out any of the cliffhanger's from RE4.

maybe she was fired by wesker... since she let leon live instead of following weskers orders... or maybe ada has some more matters to take care of and disappeared since she's somewhat mysterious..

Wesker could not have fired her. Besides, the Organization trusted Ada wayyyyy more than Wesker as they knew Wesker wanted to betray them. Ada sealed their trust by sending them the real plaga sample and sending Wesker a fake.

ace.redfield wrote:

maybe she was fired by wesker...

Yeah, maybe she is getting fired without any recommendations, that'll hurt, especially when she applies at a job elsewhere, and they ask about her previous employer....

Actually, I understand that she was taking his orders, while secretly taking The Organizations higher orders, but I'm not so sure Al was above her in rank....I mean sure he was her contact on that mission, but she was more trustworthy and had been with them longer....

IDK, they just really should have let us in on what happened there. It's a big cliffhanger that's been hanging for far too long, and it doesn't really seem like RER is going to give us new info on that, though it might.

In fact, in LIN, a document, from the butler, explains how he was given info by Spencer, to give to Irving, who works for Ada, who has regular dealings with Wesker, and that is how Wesker found Ozwell in LIN, because he wanted him to.

I'd give the quote, but I'd have to turn on my 360 again, and I don't feel like it.

Thanks Nite, I was just about to post, you posted right before me.