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PostSubject: Re: Resident Evil Revelations 2   Resident Evil Revelations 2 - Page 25 EmptyWed May 13, 2015 4:03 pm

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Cloning has always been a massive part of the series right from the very beginning though. Where do you think all those identical looking B.O.W.s come from? The Hunters, the Cerberus, The evolved Lickers etc - all clones from the same single specimen. It's how they are mass-produced.


This is definitely true, but out of context to this specific conversation. I do not believe anyone has a problem with your everyday B.O.Ws being manufactured to look similar.
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Well, if the Outbreak series has taught me anything, Mass Production will only make things easier to kill. Just ask Thanatos.
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PostSubject: Re: Resident Evil Revelations 2   Resident Evil Revelations 2 - Page 25 EmptyThu May 14, 2015 9:57 am

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Cloning has always been a massive part of the series right from the very beginning though. Where do you think all those identical looking B.O.W.s come from? The Hunters, the Cerberus, The evolved Lickers etc - all clones from the same single specimen. It's how they are mass-produced.


This is definitely true, but out of context to this specific conversation. I do not believe anyone has a problem with your everyday B.O.Ws being manufactured to look similar.

Exactly, I dont have any qualms with mass produced or cloned BOWS, especially when it comes ti generic Hunters, lickers, reapers, etc. Teh Spike just feels that cloning people and invisibility and shit like that dont really have a place in RE. Whats next, spaceships and lazer guns? Teleportation? Vector in ORC and HUNK in REV2 each have invisibilty. I dont like that. I dont like when RE characters can turn invisible as part of the canon.

@AWDCP, true there is no Burnside. Im sure you must've at least appreciated the in-game referrence though when Claire first finds a handgun she murmurs, "More reliable than any person" lol

@PWNERX, r u sayin that thanatos was ez? Psh I dont believe that. Prove it
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PostSubject: Re: Resident Evil Revelations 2   Resident Evil Revelations 2 - Page 25 EmptyThu May 14, 2015 1:36 pm

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Cloning has always been a massive part of the series right from the very beginning though. Where do you think all those identical looking B.O.W.s come from? The Hunters, the Cerberus, The evolved Lickers etc - all clones from the same single specimen. It's how they are mass-produced.


This is definitely true, but out of context to this specific conversation. I do not believe anyone has a problem with your everyday B.O.Ws being manufactured to look similar.

Exactly, I dont have any qualms with mass produced or cloned BOWS, especially when it comes ti generic Hunters, lickers, reapers, etc. Teh Spike just feels that cloning people and invisibility and shit like that dont really have a place in RE. Whats next, spaceships and lazer guns? Teleportation? Vector in ORC and HUNK in REV2 each have invisibilty. I dont like that. I dont like when RE characters can turn invisible as part of the canon.

@AWDCP, true there is no Burnside. Im sure you must've at least appreciated the in-game referrence though when Claire first finds a handgun she murmurs, "More reliable than any person" lol

@PWNERX, r u sayin that thanatos was ez? Psh I dont believe that. Prove it

No, I'm saying that Thanatos wasn't easy due to him not being Mass Produced.
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The invisibility thing was just a game play gimmick for a non-canon and irrelevant title at the end of the day. ORC has no place in the canon series.

Sergei's clones were bought by Umbrella simply to help create a better strain of t-Virus that allowed more people to become Tyrants. It solved the missing link left behind from Wesker's Report 2 when Birkin created the Tyrant strain in 1988 but had no suitable test subjects because it was only compatible to 1 in every 100,000,000 people.

But I will admit the Ada/Carla clone was completely and utterly pointless. No need for that at all.

But those three points aside, that's all there is in the series in regards to cloning and with 19 years and 20+ games, I'd hardly say it was over-saturated.
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Now that I think about it, are the B.O.W.s in the series even clones? I know the Tyrants are not actually clones, as they had to harvest children in order to produce them. They had to extract a certain hormone from the child's brain while still alive as stated in one of the files in Survivor.

They may just look the same because they are made the same.. and also probably because Capcom doesn't want to make a ton of different models. At one point in Survivor you can have 10s of them coming at you at a time
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PostSubject: Re: Resident Evil Revelations 2   Resident Evil Revelations 2 - Page 25 EmptyFri May 15, 2015 10:13 am

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The invisibility thing was just a game play gimmick for a non-canon and irrelevant title at the end of the day. ORC has no place in the canon series.

Sergei's clones were bought by Umbrella simply to help create a better strain of t-Virus that allowed more people to become Tyrants. It solved the missing link left behind from Wesker's Report 2 when Birkin created the Tyrant strain in 1988 but had no suitable test subjects because it was only compatible to 1 in every 100,000,000 people.

But I will admit the Ada/Carla clone was completely and utterly pointless. No need for that at all.

But those three points aside, that's all there is in the series in regards to cloning and with 19 years and 20+ games, I'd hardly say it was over-saturated.

Dammit batsy why do you always have to ruin a perfectly good argument by bringing facts into it

@PWNER, oh.

@Ssplain, I do recall the method in which they mass produced tyrants over on Sheena island.
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Actually the Beta Hertero Nonserotonin from Gun Survivor used to make Tyrants is another huge misconception about the series.

This chemical is not used to create Tyrants - the compatibility problem was already solved thanks to Birkin using Sergei's clones to engineer a new t-Virus strain that was more adaptable to humans becoming Tyrants.

The chemical extracted from teenagers in Gun Survivor was actually used solely to create the Hypnos Tyrant; a smaller, more agile and more ferocious type of Tyrant.
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PostSubject: Re: Resident Evil Revelations 2   Resident Evil Revelations 2 - Page 25 EmptySat May 16, 2015 8:29 pm

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Actually the Beta Hertero Nonserotonin from Gun Survivor used to make Tyrants is another huge misconception about the series.

This chemical is not used to create Tyrants - the compatibility problem was already solved thanks to Birkin using Sergei's clones to engineer a new t-Virus strain that was more adaptable to humans becoming Tyrants.

The chemical extracted from teenagers in Gun Survivor was actually used solely to create the Hypnos Tyrant; a smaller, more agile and more ferocious type of Tyrant.

Only problem with the Hypnos T-type would be his inability to take down amnesiacs with infinite ammo handguns and their back turned.
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PostSubject: Re: Resident Evil Revelations 2   Resident Evil Revelations 2 - Page 25 EmptyFri Jun 12, 2015 8:59 am

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Actually the Beta Hertero Nonserotonin from Gun Survivor used to make Tyrants is another huge misconception about the series.

This chemical is not used to create Tyrants - the compatibility problem was already solved thanks to Birkin using Sergei's clones to engineer a new t-Virus strain that was more adaptable to humans becoming Tyrants.

The chemical extracted from teenagers in Gun Survivor was actually used solely to create the Hypnos Tyrant; a smaller, more agile and more ferocious type of Tyrant.

Gun Survivor is the Japanese copy of the game while the US version is simply Survivor.
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Yes I know. I usually refer to the games as Biohazard rather than Resident Evil.
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Actually the Beta Hertero Nonserotonin from Gun Survivor used to make Tyrants is another huge misconception about the series.

This chemical is not used to create Tyrants - the compatibility problem was already solved thanks to Birkin using Sergei's clones to engineer a new t-Virus strain that was more adaptable to humans becoming Tyrants.

The chemical extracted from teenagers in Gun Survivor was actually used solely to create the Hypnos Tyrant; a smaller, more agile and more ferocious type of Tyrant.

Gun Survivor is the Japanese copy of the game while the US version is simply Survivor.


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Yes I know. I usually refer to the games as Biohazard rather than Resident Evil.

Oh, good. For some reason I thought you said the chemical extracted from the subject's brains wasnt used to mass produce tyrants.
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The game is good.



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I agree with PWNERX, the game is good.

The strange thing is; I enjoyed this game far more than re5 and 6 for a first time playthrough and they added plenty of reason to replay the game. I can't seem to complete a second playthrough though. I mean the first playthrough was gripping and I could not wait to play it again! Now that I have beaten it though, I rarely play it anymore.

This is the first game I have enjoyed so much but played so little in the series.
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It could've had additional possible unlockables.


Cuz that would've been nice.
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It could've had additional possible unlockables.


Cuz that would've been nice.

Like you woulda ever unlocked the possible unlockables, PWNERX

@Ssplain, MSR is in a similar situation. I essentially watched someone play through REV2, and while Teh_Spike was really excited for REV2, what with Claire and Barry making returns as well as the game being a sequel to the awesome predecessor, Revelations, I've just found it difficult to sit down and play through the game's campaign on my own current first playthrough.

Teh_Spike also saw REV2's ending. So whats going on, Alex transferred her mind into the body of the young Natalya? So the long awaited Alex Wesker, who started as some blonde bitch that some here at REF have once or twice called a "tranny"", is now a little girl, who could show up in later installments?

Maybe RE7(whenever it takes place) will have a supergroup team of antagonists; Alex teams up with Jessica and Raymond from the first REV and they noin forces with former Umbrella supervisor Sgt.Nickolai Ginovaef. Thats when we can have the super friends/justice league finale with Chris, Jill, Leon, Claire and Barry.
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It could've had additional possible unlockables.


Cuz that would've been nice.

Like you woulda ever unlocked the possible unlockables, PWNERX

@Ssplain, MSR is in a similar situation. I essentially watched someone play through REV2, and while Teh_Spike was really excited for REV2, what with Claire and Barry making returns as well as the game being a sequel to the awesome predecessor, Revelations, I've just found it difficult to sit down and play through the game's campaign on  my own current first playthrough.

Teh_Spike also saw REV2's ending. So whats going on, Alex transferred her mind into the body of the young Natalya? So the long awaited Alex Wesker, who started as some blonde bitch that some here at REF have once or twice called a "tranny"", is now a little girl, who could show up in later installments?

Maybe RE7(whenever it takes place) will have a supergroup team of antagonists; Alex teams up with Jessica and Raymond from the first REV and they noin forces with former Umbrella supervisor Sgt.Nickolai Ginovaef. Thats when we can have the super friends/justice league finale with Chris, Jill, Leon, Claire and Barry.


I don't see your RECV/X Unlockable Weaponry, which I just so happen to own on the PS2 version.

Also, that idea for RE7 is just the idea Capcom will need. Even though it'll probably involve a 'Bad Dudes' story where Russian Commandos kidnap the president. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?
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Teh_Spike also saw REV2's ending. So whats going on, Alex transferred her mind into the body of the young Natalya? So the long awaited Alex Wesker, who started as some blonde bitch that some here at REF have once or twice called a "tranny"", is now a little girl, who could show up in later installments?
There's actually two endings, you saw the bad one. The game's director did imply that Natalia could still become Alex after the good ending though.


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Teh_Spike also saw REV2's ending. So whats going on, Alex transferred her mind into the body of the young Natalya? So the long awaited Alex Wesker, who started as some blonde bitch that some here at REF have once or twice called a "tranny"", is now a little girl, who could show up in later installments?
There's actually two endings, you saw the bad one. The game's director did say that Natalia could still become Alex after the good ending though.

Source please? Not that I don't believe you, just want to read the whole thing Razz
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Teh_Spike also saw REV2's ending. So whats going on, Alex transferred her mind into the body of the young Natalya? So the long awaited Alex Wesker, who started as some blonde bitch that some here at REF have once or twice called a "tranny"", is now a little girl, who could show up in later installments?
There's actually two endings, you saw the bad one. The game's director did say that Natalia could still become Alex after the good ending though.

Source please? Not that I don't believe you, just want to read the whole thing Razz

A source would be nice. Teh_Spike would also like something official for the record.

@37Narwhals, when MSR finally plays through REV2 in its entirety it should all make more sense. Not sure how I feel about body transfers tho... A little far fetched. This isn't some aliens invade and take over human bodies game.
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Teh_Spike also saw REV2's ending. So whats going on, Alex transferred her mind into the body of the young Natalya? So the long awaited Alex Wesker, who started as some blonde bitch that some here at REF have once or twice called a "tranny"", is now a little girl, who could show up in later installments?
There's actually two endings, you saw the bad one. The game's director did say that Natalia could still become Alex after the good ending though.

Source please? Not that I don't believe you, just want to read the whole thing Razz

A source would be nice. Teh_Spike would also like something official for the record.

@37Narwhals, when MSR finally plays through REV2 in its entirety it should all make more sense. Not sure how I feel about body transfers tho... A little far fetched. This isn't some aliens invade and take over human bodies game.

No body snatchers in the game as far as the eye can see...


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Source please? Not that I don't believe you, just want to read the whole thing Razz
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A source would be nice. Teh_Spike would also like something official for the record.
No problem. I was going to post it anyway once I found time to look for it again. Here's the part I was referring to:

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YA: At least until some way through Barry’s campaign, the part of Alex that resides in Natalia hasn’t yet awakened – so through that point, Natalia’s conscience has complete control. However, Alex’s memories have become mixed with some of Natalia’s, so the reason Natalia exclaims, “Moira!? She’s dead…” is because fragments of Alex’s memory have become mixed with Natalia’s and she hasn’t gotten a handle on the fact that they are different at that point in time.

The transfer of Alex’s memories was not 100% completed, so in order for Alex’s personality to become a dominant force within Natalia, a trigger became necessary. One of those triggers can be seen in the “bad ending” – when she is truly put in a life threatening situation. In the “good ending,” Natalia escapes right before that point, so she escapes with her consciousness still as Natalia. What happens to her, how she lives her life after the ending, however, is something that we’ll have to save for the future. Hopefully the fans will enjoy debating and theorizing amongst themselves.

Here's the link: http://residentevil.com.br/site/revil-interviews-yasuhiro-anpo-resident-evil-revelations-2-game-director

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@37Narwhals, when MSR finally plays through REV2 in its entirety it should all make more sense. Not sure how I feel about body transfers tho... A little far fetched. This isn't some aliens invade and take over human bodies game.
That's understandable. Personally I'm just glad they finally did a plot that doesn't involve terrorism again.
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Very nice read! Thanks for the link Narwhals
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Very nice read! Thanks for the link Narwhals

Indeed.

@37Narwhals, Teh_Spike concurs; the terrorism plot is wayyy overdone in RE as of late. If only Capcom could/would duplicate the awesome experience from like RE1 or RE2.
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Very nice read! Thanks for the link Narwhals

Indeed.

@37Narwhals, Teh_Spike concurs; the terrorism plot is wayyy overdone in RE as of late. If only Capcom could/would duplicate the awesome experience from like RE1 or RE2.

Well, REV2 only has the Claire/Moira kidnapping cutscene when it comes to the terrorism plot. Otherwise, it's another case of CV/X when people are caught at an inappropriate time and stuck in a situation that requires them to use anything to their disposal in order to escape. And maybe a couple random pieces of weaponry to help, because they'd obviously be in a place like that (unless the game is CV/X, where there would be stuff like that laying around.).
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