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PostSubject: Re: How disturbed was Nicholai?   How disturbed was Nicholai? - Page 3 EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 3:51 pm

He probably won't return, but I want him to. It's unclear about his fate, because a report in the English version of Survivor indicated he lived, but that wasn't in the Japan release. Still...I always believed he got away and Barry saved Jill and Carlos.
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He probably won't return, but I want him to. It's unclear about his fate, because a report in the English version of Survivor indicated he lived, but that wasn't in the Japan release. Still...I always believed he got away and Barry saved Jill and Carlos.
The ending where he got away and Barry saved everyone else is the actual, canon ending. That piece of information is from the Archives.
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The ending where he got away and Barry saved everyone else is the actual, canon ending. That piece of information is from the Archives.

I know I'm probably in the minority but I always preferred the ending where Nicolai dies and Jill and Carlos escape themselves. I did think it was strange Barry just turning up at random and saving them.

I thought that since Jill and Carlos endured so much together I thought it was nicer and more fitting that only them two would escape together.
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I know I'm probably in the minority but I always preferred the ending where Nicolai dies and Jill and Carlos escape themselves. I did think it was strange Barry just turning up at random and saving them.

I thought that since Jill and Carlos endured so much together I thought it was nicer and more fitting that only them two would escape together.



I see what you mean, although Barry showing up was a nice twist.
I think he came to Jill's rescue through guilt of his previous actions back in Spencer's mansion.
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PostSubject: Re: How disturbed was Nicholai?   How disturbed was Nicholai? - Page 3 EmptyMon Mar 18, 2013 1:01 am

Here's the ending to RE3, straight from Archives:

Then she heard Carlos calling her. He said that after requesting aid on the radio, someone who said he had been searching for Jill agreed to come to their rescue. Before she could grasp the new, happy situation, another helicopter appeared overhead and began it's descent toward her. She boarded it with Carlos, and the helicopter rushed outside the city limits. When she thanked the man in the pilot seat, a familiar bearded face turned toward her. At just that moment, a large shock hit the helicopter, and the city below them disappeared with a flash and a blast.

You can either have Nicholai get killed off by Nemesis(non-canon), or have him take the chopper, at which point one of two things can happen; he will either escape in the chopper, succesfully surving the Raccoon City Incident, which is probably the most canon ending of all, or you can apparently shoot him down in the chopper. I only tried that once, and got mowed down by Mr. Ginovaef. And I hadn't saved. I won't be trying that again soon.

I would totally enjoy Nicholai showing up again post RE3. There's plenty of room for another villian. Even if just for a single game.
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I only tried that once, and got mowed down by Mr. Ginovaef. And I hadn't saved. I won't be trying that again soon.
I'm guessing you didn't get the M202 FLASH from the weapons room? If you did, he'd have gone down in one shot. It also takes only about five rounds from the 629C to down him, IIRC.
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Despite what people think, Nicholai lives. He always lives. And he hates you. And you. And you too. He hates everything!
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I did think it was strange Barry just turning up at random and saving them.
It's actually not as random as you'd think. You can unlock this epilogue in the game:
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Despite what people think, Nicholai lives.
Not when I'm playing. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: How disturbed was Nicholai?   How disturbed was Nicholai? - Page 3 EmptyMon Mar 18, 2013 4:57 pm

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I did think it was strange Barry just turning up at random and saving them.
It's actually not as random as you'd think. You can unlock this epilogue in the game:
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Ah, yes !
I forgot about this picture in the Epilogue.
If I remember about it I could have backed up my previous statement a little more.
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I only tried that once, and got mowed down by Mr. Ginovaef. And I hadn't saved. I won't be trying that again soon.
I'm guessing you didn't get the M202 FLASH from the weapons room? If you did, he'd have gone down in one shot. It also takes only about five rounds from the 629C to down him, IIRC.

I have before, but I always forget how to do it. I know it's below that room with the steam puzzle.

Otherwise Nicholai can escape, I don't care.

I always have over 100 grenades rounds for my grenade launcher by the end of RE3 anyway, sorry Nemesis 3rd form. And that's playing on Hard mode.

There are only two spots in RE3 that I almost always have to save at, right before the fight on the tram car thing, where you encounter the Grave Digger right before, and before the 2nd Nemesis fight at the Clock Tower. Nemesis is a cheap B-hole who likes to pick you up by the throat, throw you down, and then repeat the process before you can get up. If you don't have enough medical items, you are screwed.
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Nemesis is a cheap B-hole who likes to pick you up by the throat, throw you down, and then repeat the process before you can get up. If you don't have enough medical items, you are screwed.
Tell me about it. The first time playing through the game I had to go back to an older save just to stock up on herbs and sprays. Thankfully I had multiple saves so I didn't have to go all the way back. It doesn't help that you are limping because of the poison status.
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Tell me about it. The first time playing through the game I had to go back to an older save just to stock up on herbs and sprays. Thankfully I had multiple saves so I didn't have to go all the way back. It doesn't help that you are limping because of the poison status.
Bitch, please. I died twice during the final battle with Nemesis in one day, without a memory card to fall back on.
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Tell me about it. The first time playing through the game I had to go back to an older save just to stock up on herbs and sprays. Thankfully I had multiple saves so I didn't have to go all the way back. It doesn't help that you are limping because of the poison status.
Bitch, please. I died twice during the final battle with Nemesis in one day, without a memory card to fall back on.
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Well, I hope Nicholai is brought back.
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Yup, like most others here I'm a bit bemused by Nicholai being all rapey in the novelization. I always had the impression he was cold, calculating, ruthless - but always in control of his actions. Was he a morally bankrupt asshole? Sure. But out of all the RE villains, he's always struck me as the one most likely to just do the job and get on with his mission, and not be side-tracked by personal vendettas.

Which is why I feel it's a shame he didn't make a return. If built up properly he could have been a truly great antagonist. But this is Capcom we're talking about, so of course it didn't happen Neutral
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NICHOLAI HATES YOU. HE HATES EVERYTHING.
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NICHOLAI HATES YOU. HE HATES EVERYTHING.
Seriously. How many of his teams did he get killed during those few nights in Raccoon? Three? All of them pretty much just for kicks.
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NICHOLAI HATES YOU. HE HATES EVERYTHING.
Seriously. How many of his teams did he get killed during those few nights in Raccoon? Three? All of them pretty much just for kicks.
He wasn't UBCS, so he didn't share any camaraderie that they might or might not have shared.
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True. He was still a dick, though.
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PostSubject: Re: How disturbed was Nicholai?   How disturbed was Nicholai? - Page 3 EmptyMon Mar 25, 2013 3:47 pm

Although I liked Nicolai and found him to be a decent and slightly interesting villain, I can't help but also think of him to be an expendable character with limited potential which was fully used in RE 3. I can't really see him in a story beyond RE 3. I liked him as the peripheral villain in RE 3 ( Nemesis being the main villain ) who explained Umbrella's role and their behaviour regarding the outbreak, and he provided a little bit of extra suspense to a supposedly rather bland story in RE 3. But other than that I personally can't see him as a major villain in the next progression of the Resident Evil story. In my opinion he only really belongs in the RE 3 story. I know the makers decided that Nicolai's official fate was escaping Raccoon City but personally but I'm perfectly happy for him to die in 3 whether it's by Nemesis or Jill blowing him up ( nice considering he could have escaped unhurt had it not been for his rapacious nature).

Now having said all that, I'm not strictly opposed to him coming back and maybe the makers could do a brilliant story with him. But like I say, I'm personally happy for him to remain dead and gone.
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True. He was still a dick, though.

He was even more of a dick drafting his team into the combat zone as mere test subjects.
He was only collecting the data for himself and Umbrella and didn't really care for his team.
Ever thing he done made him a major ass, but somehow I can't stop liking his character.
I think it was due to his cold blooded persona that made me enjoy him as a character.
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I can't really see him in a story beyond RE 3.
Do you mean beyond the 1998 timeline or just RE3? Because he already had two stories that had nothing to do with RE3, though they all took place in Raccoon during its downfall.
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Do you mean beyond the 1998 timeline or just RE3? Because he already had two stories that had nothing to do with RE3, though they all took place in Raccoon during its downfall.

Yeah sorry I should have been more clear. I meant beyond the 1998 timeline. I know he had a cameo in Resident Evil Outbreak but I think that was during his time in Raccoon City before it's destruction so it doesn't really count.
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I know he had a cameo in Resident Evil Outbreak but I think that was during his time in Raccoon City before it's destruction so it doesn't really count.
Was Raccoon City still standing?

Then yes, it was obviously prior to its destruction. Common sense, my friend! lol!
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